Carlson Needs To "Look At The Facts" On Taxes, Income Of The Wealthy
On Fox & Friends, co-host Gretchen Carlson worried that people will believe President Obama's message that the wealthy aren't paying their "fair share" "unless they look at the facts." But the facts show that taxes on the wealthy are at their lowest level -- with one exception -- since 1931, while the income of top earners is at a record high.
Carlson Claims People Need To "Look At The Facts" On Top Earners' Share Of Taxes
Carlson Worries That People Will Believe Wealthy Aren't Paying Their "Fair Share" "Unless They Look At The Facts." On the November 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, the co-hosts discussed the relationship between House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and Obama following Boehner's recent comments on income taxes on the wealthy. Co-host Gretchen Carlson said that she thinks the Obama administration's message that "[p]eople need to pay their fair share" is "sticking with people who maybe are not watching the news cycle 24/7." Carlson then said that "after a while, that [message] sticks in their mind unless they look at the facts." From the broadcast:
STEVE DOOCY (co-host): Yesterday on one of the chat shows this week, the speaker said that their relationship has become frosty. And also the speaker himself was quite specific, with the president saying, you know, this class warfare stuff you're pulling? That's got to stop. Listen to this.
BOEHNER [video]: Come on, the top 1 percent pay 38 percent of the income taxes in America. How much more do you want them to pay? I'll tell you, well, let's take all the money that the rich have, all of it. It won't even put a dent in our current budget deficit much less our debt.
CARLSON: Keep in mind, back then, that was June 23, when they had that golf summit. Remember, we were in that debt discussion crisis, and so both parties were really trying to come together to find a solution. So it was emblematic to see that imagery of the two of them together, and we all know how that ended up.
But the other thing is, you know, John Boehner talks about the fact that the top 1 percent already pays most of the taxes in this country. But I got to tell you, guys, as I go around in communities, I think that the catchphrase that the Obama administration is putting out: fair share. People need to pay their fair share. I hear that, and I think to a certain extent, some of that language is sticking with people who maybe are not watching the news cycle 24/7, and they hear, hey, people should pay their fair share, and after a while, that sticks in their mind unless they look at the facts. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 11/7/11]
But Taxes On Top Earners Are At Historic Lows ...
Bloomberg Businessweek: "Except For A Period From 1988 To 1992, The Top Tax Rate Has Never Been This Low Since 1931." A December 15, 2010, Bloomberg Businessweek article stated that Congress' pending renewal of the Bush tax cuts would create "an environment in which their tax rates on income and investments remain at historic lows." From the article:
A bonanza of new and extended tax benefits could make it as easy as ever for the rich to stay that way.
Under legislation approved by the U.S. Senate on Wednesday, Dec. 15, and now moving on to the House, savvy wealthy Americans would be able to capitalize on an environment in which their tax rates on income and investments remain at historic lows. Also, new rules would make it possible to pass on fortunes to heirs with less fuss and lower taxes than all but a brief period of the past 80 years. It's a far cry from the 70 percent bite the federal government took out of the largest incomes and estates as recently as 1980.
"The climate we'll have after this legislation is extremely favorable for wealthy families," says Jeffrey Cooper, a professor at Quinnipiac University School of Law and a former estate planner who has studied the history of U.S. tax law.
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The good news for the rich starts with income tax rates, which for top income groups would remain 35 percent , a rate enacted by former President George W. Bush in 2003. Except for a period from 1988 to 1992, the top tax rate has never been this low since 1931.
"Top rates are incredibly low from a historical perspective," says Indiana University law professor Ajay Mehrotra. The most surprising thing, he says, is that rates have remained at this level even as the U.S. has been fighting two wars, in Afghanistan and Iraq. Historically, income taxes on the wealthy have spiked during wartime: The first income tax was initiated during the Civil War and then later repealed. The top rate on income hit 77 percent in 1918, during World War I, and 94 percent from 1944 to 1945, during World War II. [Bloomberg Businessweek, 12/15/10]
CBPP: "The Effective Federal Income Tax Rate For The 400 Taxpayers With The Very Highest Incomes Has Declined By Nearly Half Over The Past Two Decades." A February 23, 2010, report by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) found:
The effective federal income tax rate for the 400 taxpayers with the very highest incomes has declined by nearly half over the past two decades, even as their pre-tax incomes have grown five times larger, new IRS data show.
The top 400 households paid 16.6 percent of their income in federal individual income taxes in 2007, down from 30 percent in 1995. This decline works out to a tax cut of $46 million per filer in 2007, or a total of $18 billion in tax cuts for these households per year.
To make it into the top 400, a household needed an adjusted gross income of at least $35 million in 1992 (in 2007 dollars) and $139 million in 2007.
The decline in effective tax rates at the very top is due in large part to the capital gains tax cuts enacted in 1997 and 2003. The top marginal tax rate on capital gains is now 15 percent, less than half the top tax rate on wages and salaries. The top 400 taxpayers derived two-thirds of their income from capital gains and qualified dividends in 2007.
The report included the following chart, showing federal income tax rates for millionaire households as well as the top 400 households:

[CBPP, 2/23/10]
CBPP: "Typical Middle-Class Households Face Higher Tax Rates Than Some High-Income Households." A September 20 post on the CBPP blog, Off the Charts, showed that households with an annual income of over $1 million that earn over two-thirds of their income from investment paid a lower tax rate in 2011 than most middle-income families:

[CBPP, Off the Charts, 9/20/11]
... While Income Of Wealthiest Is At Record Highs
CEPR Report Shows Income Of Top 1 Percent Increased 256 Percent From 1979-2006, While Lowest Quintile Saw Incomes Rise 11 Percent. From a December 2010 report released by the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR):

[CEPR, December 2010]
Vanity Fair: "Upper 1 Percent" Take In "Nearly A Quarter Of The Nation's Income" As Compared To "12 Percent" 25 Years Ago. From a May 2011 Vanity Fair article by Nobel Laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz:
It's no use pretending that what has obviously happened has not in fact happened. The upper 1 percent of Americans are now taking in nearly a quarter of the nation's income every year. In terms of wealth rather than income, the top 1 percent control 40 percent. Their lot in life has improved considerably. Twenty-five years ago, the corresponding figures were 12 percent and 33 percent. One response might be to celebrate the ingenuity and drive that brought good fortune to these people, and to contend that a rising tide lifts all boats. That response would be misguided. While the top 1 percent have seen their incomes rise 18 percent over the past decade, those in the middle have actually seen their incomes fall. For men with only high-school degrees, the decline has been precipitous -- 12 percent in the last quarter-century alone. All the growth in recent decades -- and more -- has gone to those at the top. In terms of income equality, America lags behind any country in the old, ossified Europe that President George W. Bush used to deride. Among our closest counterparts are Russia with its oligarchs and Iran. While many of the old centers of inequality in Latin America, such as Brazil, have been striving in recent years, rather successfully, to improve the plight of the poor and reduce gaps in income, America has allowed inequality to grow. [Vanity Fair, May 2011, emphasis added]
Huffington Post: "For 2007 ... The Top One Percent Of Earners ... Enjoyed A 6.8 Percent Growth" In Income, "Versus The 3.7 Percent Average" In The U.S. In a March 2010 article titled, "Number of U.S. Millionaires Soared In 2009: Spectrem Group," The Huffington Post wrote:
Of course, household incomes have been growing unevenly for years -- even during times of seeming prosperity. For 2007, the year for which the most recent data is available, the top one percent of earners -- those with incomes of at least $398,000 per year -- enjoyed a 6.8 percent growth (versus the 3.7 percent average), boosting their share of the country's total income to 23.5 percent. [The Huffington Post, 3/9/10]
Fox Has A History Of Defending The Wealthiest, Claiming Taxes On Wealthy Are Too High
Doocy Called For Higher Taxes On The Middle Class: "The Progressive Income Tax Has Not Been So Fair." During the August 3 broadcast of Fox & Friends, the co-hosts said that "almost half of this country pays no income tax," and Doocy went on to say: "[S]o when the president of the United States says everybody's got to chip in, is he talking about all those people who don't pay taxes currently? ... Going forward, if we're going to make things fairer, are people who currently don't pay taxes, will they have to pay something?" [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 8/3/11, via Media Matters]
Fox Has Repeatedly Called Tax Increases On The Wealthy "Class Warfare" But Have Approved Of Plans That Would Raise Taxes On The Poor. Fox figures have repeatedly called any proposals to increase taxes on the wealthy "class warfare," but they have also hyped Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan, which would raise taxes on poor and middle-income families. [Media Matters, 10/6/11]
Fox Hyped WSJ Claim That Number Of "Millionaires" Is Declining. During the August 18 broadcast of Fox & Friends, Fox Business host Stuart Varney hyped a Wall Street Journal editorial claiming that the "number of millionaires" "was drastically cut between 2007 and 2009."
- In Fact, WSJ Editorial Used Flawed "Narrower Measure" Of Worth, And Many Other Reports Showed The Opposite Is True. Experts told Media Matters that the Journal editorial used a "narrower measure of worth" to back its claim, and a large number of reports showed that as measured in total assets, the number of millionaires has been increasing over the past several years. [Media Matters, 8/18/11]
Fox Attacked Warren Buffett Following Obama's Proposal Of "Buffett Rule." Fox figures jumped to attack billionaire investor Warren Buffett following his New York Times op-ed in which Buffett urged Congress to "immediately" raise rates on "income in excess of $1 million." [Media Matters, 9/20/11]
Fox Claimed Income Made From Capital Gains Is Not Income. In several September broadcasts, Fox & Friends repeatedly claimed that wealthy earners' income faces a "double tax" because income earned from working is taxed, as is income earned through capital gains and dividend payouts.
- In Fact, Income Earned From Capital Gains Taxes Is Also Income. Income earned from capital gains and dividend payouts is also income, although it is taxed at a lower rate than income earned by working. [Media Matters, 9/21/11]
On Fox, Mark Steyn Called For Tax Break For Wealthy. On the October 20 edition of Fox & Friends, conservative commentator Mark Steyn claimed, "[T]he richest 1 percent already pay enough taxes. What do the richest 1 percent do when you don't take their money? They hire people, they invest."
- In Fact, Income Of Top 1 Percent Is At Record Highs, But Hiring Remains Slow. While income for the top 1 percent of earners has reached historic highs in the past several years, hiring has remained slow. [Media Matters, 10/20/11]











Boehner is incorrect. The top 1% earn at least $343,927/year in AGI. There are 1.4 million Americans who earn at least this. Let me break out my trusty calculator.
Assuming that no one makes more than $343,927 (the minimum), if we were to hypothetically take "all of it" (100%), that would be $481.5 billion.
The current budget deficit is $1.2T. Yes, the minimum would not cover the current budget deficit but it would "make a dent". But people don't make the bare minimum in the top 1%.
According to IRS, the AGI of the top 1% was about $1.685T for 2010. The current budget deficit is $1.2T. So, that would be a budget surplus of $485B. Far more than a dent. In fact, it would give us a budget surplus.
And no one is suggesting that we just take everything the top 1% earns in AGI. That's just a silly strawman. But that strawman itself shows that they don't want to tell the truth.
Don't fall for strawmen assertions like Boehner's. It's a trap because you can't make a logical response to an illogical assertion.
Sweet Christmas, if you or someone you know watched Fox & Friends, please seek immediate psychiatric help.
Friends don't let friends listen to Gretchen Carlson for knowledge.
The United States does not have a spending problem. It has a revenue problem. And it is by design.
After all, didn't the Bush Administration tell us what a great idea it would be to cut taxes and increase spending during a relative boom?
And no, not in the short run. Austerity is killing Europe, and it will do the same thing here. We're paying for the stupidity and the excess of the last decade. It is hard to imagine how people could have believed, or ignored, the things they had to believe or ignore in order to think that their behavior made any sense.
Is this country spending money on high-tech infrastructure like the Chinese are? Is it putting money into basic research?
Solyndra is out of business because the price of solar panels is falling, the technology moving too fast. Has anybody considered the implications of that? Or would they rather focus on the "scandal"?
Bah.
No, the main thing is to cut taxes, always and everywhere, in all economic conditions, in all political circumstances. The agenda is a constant. Only the rhetoric changes.
If the hypocritical TeaBaggers would stop driving on public roads and bridges, they would be in better shape.
However, that would require them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps...and government-provided HoverRounds can only go so far.
There was a lull on this thread shortly after he started because the community abruptly stopped feeding him. He waited a while and returned to the provocative stuff, figuring he'd see if he could simply resume and maybe someone else had come along by then and would follow him down his track. But for weeks now james has become infinitely familiar with the Law of Diminishing Returns in which the routine works less well each time he tries it. That he continues with these tactics tell me it's that or disappear altogether and either he's a glutton for punishment or his employer won't let him.
james has 2 1/2 loooooooooong hours left and has already dried the well of willing participants. He's just going through the motions at this point.
So you're saying you've engaged in some self-reflection? Good for you.
We all know you are a dishonest, and ignorant troll. You are also a LIAR. This ignorant tactic of yours where you keep asking a really STUPID question that only shows you are too stupid to be in the conversation doesnt fool anyone. Often you ARE answered and are too stupid to understand the answer. You are pathetic and you always will be
Thanks Gretchen for opening that door!
That being said, it's always fun to poke big holes in their flimsy arguments.
>^o.-^<
I am undertaxed and Warren Buffet has already admitted he is undertaxed. Why do you lie so much?
Of COURSE you think I should make donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like you can dodge your societal obligations.
When you tell him what he's doing - not contradict what he's saying - you've got him on our turf, where he's on shaky ground.
Remember: there is no substance with a dirty player, only context.
That you are too stupid to understand us is not OUR problem. You are a low level moron capable only of remembering what you were told to think. Being able to process actual points made by us instead of mistaking it for pablum would require cognitive functioning and you just flat dont have the requisite equipment for that.
We obsess on you like batters obsess on practice pitches. We slap the stupid out of you for fun and entertainment. You are incredibly stupid and that amuses me. You on the other hand laugh because you KNOW you are too stupid to understand and you have to laugh since if you had the capacity for self awareness a gnat posesses you would sob hysterically at the thought of how stupid, brainwashed, and pitiful you are
Get this idiot a metal (sic)!
Oh I think you laugh. I think you are so stupid there is no possibility for the self awareness necessary for you to get how bone chillingly stupid you are. If you were just a little bit smarter you would sob hysterically for the rest of your life. You dont understand that you will ALWAYS be this stupid. You will NEVER be capable of thought. Spewing what you were told to think is all you will ever be capable of. Now a rational human as pathetic as you would be mortally humiliated. You just mindlessly do and say what you were programmed to do and say since that is how vapid and inane you are always going to be
Exactly. He gets a kick out of luring people in. He thinks it's hilarious that, despite the multiple warnings people have gotten, they still treat him as though his answers are honest, his questions sincere, his ignorance on topics anything but an attempt to trap people into replying to him.
When my taxes are raised I will gladly pay them. This pitiful talking point Rush programmed you with only works on people as braindead and STUPID as you. You WISH we had to make extra donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like you can dodge your societal obligations.
We arent as stupid as you. When will you get that?
An hour 40. Maybe there's something on another thread.
(unintentional) Comedy Gold!
Poor tommy - can't quite admit to picking the wrong word and then tries to claim it was intentional. Very limpy like - sort of a tweak.
GOD but you are stupid. Now go cry yourself to sleep again
It wasnt a typo and you KNOW it. The D and T arent that close to each other. You are so stupid you were confused by the homophone. My GOD but you are a moron
James is too stupid to even know the first rule of holes
Again I am sorry you are too stupid to understand the concept. The game is played by the rules that exist not those we would prefer.
Metal? GOD but you are stupid. I assume you meant medal.
You are stupid. I am willing to pay more taxes. That isnt phony. I will add phony to the long list of words you are too stupid to understand.
YOU are just begging US to pony up more in the form of donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like you can dodge your societal obligations
you're a phony, i am not impressed, keep your money. just don't tell me that you'd rather give it to the irs, because neither of us believe that baloney.
Too easy, dumbass. TRY HARDER!
Once again james BEGS us to make donations so a so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like him can dodge his societal obligations
It is sad that you dont know how pitiful you are. Do you think that by repeating that ignorant talking point over and over it will somehow become LESS stupid? It wont you know. I am ADVOCATING we pay higher taxes. I am willing to VOTE for it to cost me something. I am NOT willing to make donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like you can dodge your societal obligations
You are a LIAR. You hope no one will notice that I keep repeating the very core concept that is behind the ignorant talking point YOU keep repeating.
I dont know or care what you believe. First of all you are a LIAR. You lie constantly so what you say isnt necessarily in the ballpark of what you mean. Second you are FAR too stupid to tell me what I think. Where did all you brainwashed morons get the idea you had amazing mind reading powers?
You are stupid. You are a LIAR. You are a pathetic and small creature. I pity you
Now it all makes sense.
And AGAIN james begs me to make donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like him can dodge his societal obligations
Then tries the old I know you are but what am I gambit that fits his level of intellectual underdevelopment.
My GOD but you are stupid james
AGAIN begs me to make donantions so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like him can dodge his societal obligations.
I am chasing nothing. I am punking you mercilessly. You keep repeating the really STUPID talking point. I keep repeating the very selfish motive of you selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum.
You want me to do MORE than my part so you can do LESS than your part. I am advocating everyone including me do a bit more.
You are scum but mostly you are very STUPID. You think you will just keep spewing the SAME talking point Rush programmed you with over and over and somehow it will suddenly stop being stupid. It wont stop being stupid anymore than YOU will stop being stupid
I can predict what he'll do and say and he does and says them anyway. There's no preemptive blocking with a shameless con.
I wonder how long before they fire him? He's never been very good at trolling - but it has gotten much worse.
Sure, then award you a metal (sic)!
A little less than 1/2 hour and he's outta here. Since he likes to quite a few minutes early, it's even a little less than that.
Here's your...
LOL! What a complete idiot!
Anyway - I'd appreciate not hearing about all the time you spend thinking about my "self gratification" and/or my "getting off". It really is quite creepy and and a wee bit sick.
And you are simply nothing
Anyway he's still got an hour to go after any nugget he can find, as long as they continue to be supplied.
One of my mom's favorite lines: don't argue with an idiot. Some are still doing that.
Rich liberals are an aberration. Most of the wealthy are extremely conservative, because that's the easiest way to stay wealthy. Keep things just the way they are, or even tip them even more in favor of the wealthy.
And the GOP also works for the top 1%. John Boner made that quite clear when he held up unemployment benefits until he got the tax cuts for the top 1%.
Warren Buffet begs to differ, along with these people.
The trillion dollar bill for the Bush wars was borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund.
Those taxes come from the paychecks of the 99%.
When the one percenters pony up a trillion dollars they'll be equal .
"But the other thing is, you know, John Boehner talks about the fact that the top 1 percent already pays most of the taxes in this country."
"Most" would be >50%. 38% is not >50%.
And they pay 38% of the income taxes. That's not the same as 38% of all taxes.
Gretchen, Gretchen, Gretchen. Will you never get your facts or your math straight?
Take into account how much companies are pushing health care skyrocketing costs onto employees.
Take into account how much profit that are going straight into the pockets of people that sit in ivory towers instead of pay raises, bonuses or benefits to the people that are actually doing that work that makes all those profits for that American royalty.
Take into account how when they are making record profits, they are trying to destroy the main reason most retired people are able to even retire, the Unions!
Just read a report that shows that even the income disparity between older and younger Americans is at an all time high. That is why retired people and close to retirement are voting repuglican. I got mine SCREW YOU!
We don't want to "take" money from them, we just want them to pay a fair amount of money to employees for the success of the companies and their fair share of taxes.
Quit hording and pay fairly!
UGH!