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Carlson Needs To "Look At The Facts" On Taxes, Income Of The Wealthy

November 07, 2011 1:18 pm ET — 111 Comments

On Fox & Friends, co-host Gretchen Carlson worried that people will believe President Obama's message that the wealthy aren't paying their "fair share" "unless they look at the facts." But the facts show that taxes on the wealthy are at their lowest level -- with one exception -- since 1931, while the income of top earners is at a record high.

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Carlson Claims People Need To "Look At The Facts" On Top Earners' Share Of Taxes

Carlson Worries That People Will Believe Wealthy Aren't Paying Their "Fair Share" "Unless They Look At The Facts." On the November 7 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, the co-hosts discussed the relationship between House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and Obama following Boehner's recent comments on income taxes on the wealthy. Co-host Gretchen Carlson said that she thinks the Obama administration's message that "[p]eople need to pay their fair share" is "sticking with people who maybe are not watching the news cycle 24/7." Carlson then said that "after a while, that [message] sticks in their mind unless they look at the facts." From the broadcast:

STEVE DOOCY (co-host): Yesterday on one of the chat shows this week, the speaker said that their relationship has become frosty. And also the speaker himself was quite specific, with the president saying, you know, this class warfare stuff you're pulling? That's got to stop. Listen to this.

BOEHNER [video]: Come on, the top 1 percent pay 38 percent of the income taxes in America. How much more do you want them to pay? I'll tell you, well, let's take all the money that the rich have, all of it. It won't even put a dent in our current budget deficit much less our debt.

CARLSON: Keep in mind, back then, that was June 23, when they had that golf summit. Remember, we were in that debt discussion crisis, and so both parties were really trying to come together to find a solution. So it was emblematic to see that imagery of the two of them together, and we all know how that ended up.

But the other thing is, you know, John Boehner talks about the fact that the top 1 percent already pays most of the taxes in this country. But I got to tell you, guys, as I go around in communities, I think that the catchphrase that the Obama administration is putting out: fair share. People need to pay their fair share. I hear that, and I think to a certain extent, some of that language is sticking with people who maybe are not watching the news cycle 24/7, and they hear, hey, people should pay their fair share, and after a while, that sticks in their mind unless they look at the facts. [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 11/7/11]

But Taxes On Top Earners Are At Historic Lows ...

Bloomberg Businessweek: "Except For A Period From 1988 To 1992, The Top Tax Rate Has Never Been This Low Since 1931." A December 15, 2010, Bloomberg Businessweek article stated that Congress' pending renewal of the Bush tax cuts would create "an environment in which their tax rates on income and investments remain at historic lows." From the article:

A bonanza of new and extended tax benefits could make it as easy as ever for the rich to stay that way.

Under legislation approved by the U.S. Senate on Wednesday, Dec. 15, and now moving on to the House, savvy wealthy Americans would be able to capitalize on an environment in which their tax rates on income and investments remain at historic lows. Also, new rules would make it possible to pass on fortunes to heirs with less fuss and lower taxes than all but a brief period of the past 80 years. It's a far cry from the 70 percent bite the federal government took out of the largest incomes and estates as recently as 1980.

"The climate we'll have after this legislation is extremely favorable for wealthy families," says Jeffrey Cooper, a professor at Quinnipiac University School of Law and a former estate planner who has studied the history of U.S. tax law.

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The good news for the rich starts with income tax rates, which for top income groups would remain 35 percent , a rate enacted by former President George W. Bush in 2003. Except for a period from 1988 to 1992, the top tax rate has never been this low since 1931.

"Top rates are incredibly low from a historical perspective," says Indiana University law professor Ajay Mehrotra. The most surprising thing, he says, is that rates have remained at this level even as the U.S. has been fighting two wars, in Afghanistan and Iraq. Historically, income taxes on the wealthy have spiked during wartime: The first income tax was initiated during the Civil War and then later repealed. The top rate on income hit 77 percent in 1918, during World War I, and 94 percent from 1944 to 1945, during World War II. [Bloomberg Businessweek, 12/15/10]

CBPP: "The Effective Federal Income Tax Rate For The 400 Taxpayers With The Very Highest Incomes Has Declined By Nearly Half Over The Past Two Decades." A February 23, 2010, report by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) found:

The effective federal income tax rate for the 400 taxpayers with the very highest incomes has declined by nearly half over the past two decades, even as their pre-tax incomes have grown five times larger, new IRS data show.

The top 400 households paid 16.6 percent of their income in federal individual income taxes in 2007, down from 30 percent in 1995. This decline works out to a tax cut of $46 million per filer in 2007, or a total of $18 billion in tax cuts for these households per year.

To make it into the top 400, a household needed an adjusted gross income of at least $35 million in 1992 (in 2007 dollars) and $139 million in 2007.

The decline in effective tax rates at the very top is due in large part to the capital gains tax cuts enacted in 1997 and 2003. The top marginal tax rate on capital gains is now 15 percent, less than half the top tax rate on wages and salaries. The top 400 taxpayers derived two-thirds of their income from capital gains and qualified dividends in 2007.

The report included the following chart, showing federal income tax rates for millionaire households as well as the top 400 households:

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[CBPP, 2/23/10]

CBPP: "Typical Middle-Class Households Face Higher Tax Rates Than Some High-Income Households." A September 20 post on the CBPP blog, Off the Charts, showed that households with an annual income of over $1 million that earn over two-thirds of their income from investment paid a lower tax rate in 2011 than most middle-income families:

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[CBPP, Off the Charts, 9/20/11]

... While Income Of Wealthiest Is At Record Highs

CEPR Report Shows Income Of Top 1 Percent Increased 256 Percent From 1979-2006, While Lowest Quintile Saw Incomes Rise 11 Percent. From a December 2010 report released by the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR):

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[CEPR, December 2010]

Vanity Fair: "Upper 1 Percent" Take In "Nearly A Quarter Of The Nation's Income" As Compared To "12 Percent" 25 Years Ago. From a May 2011 Vanity Fair article by Nobel Laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz:

It's no use pretending that what has obviously happened has not in fact happened. The upper 1 percent of Americans are now taking in nearly a quarter of the nation's income every year. In terms of wealth rather than income, the top 1 percent control 40 percent. Their lot in life has improved considerably. Twenty-five years ago, the corresponding figures were 12 percent and 33 percent. One response might be to celebrate the ingenuity and drive that brought good fortune to these people, and to contend that a rising tide lifts all boats. That response would be misguided. While the top 1 percent have seen their incomes rise 18 percent over the past decade, those in the middle have actually seen their incomes fall. For men with only high-school degrees, the decline has been precipitous -- 12 percent in the last quarter-century alone. All the growth in recent decades -- and more -- has gone to those at the top. In terms of income equality, America lags behind any country in the old, ossified Europe that President George W. Bush used to deride. Among our closest counterparts are Russia with its oligarchs and Iran. While many of the old centers of inequality in Latin America, such as Brazil, have been striving in recent years, rather successfully, to improve the plight of the poor and reduce gaps in income, America has allowed inequality to grow. [Vanity Fair, May 2011, emphasis added]

Huffington Post: "For 2007 ... The Top One Percent Of Earners ... Enjoyed A 6.8 Percent Growth" In Income, "Versus The 3.7 Percent Average" In The U.S. In a March 2010 article titled, "Number of U.S. Millionaires Soared In 2009: Spectrem Group," The Huffington Post wrote:

Of course, household incomes have been growing unevenly for years -- even during times of seeming prosperity. For 2007, the year for which the most recent data is available, the top one percent of earners -- those with incomes of at least $398,000 per year -- enjoyed a 6.8 percent growth (versus the 3.7 percent average), boosting their share of the country's total income to 23.5 percent. [The Huffington Post, 3/9/10]

Fox Has A History Of Defending The Wealthiest, Claiming Taxes On Wealthy Are Too High

Doocy Called For Higher Taxes On The Middle Class: "The Progressive Income Tax Has Not Been So Fair." During the August 3 broadcast of Fox & Friends, the co-hosts said that "almost half of this country pays no income tax," and Doocy went on to say: "[S]o when the president of the United States says everybody's got to chip in, is he talking about all those people who don't pay taxes currently? ... Going forward, if we're going to make things fairer, are people who currently don't pay taxes, will they have to pay something?" [Fox News, Fox & Friends, 8/3/11, via Media Matters]

Fox Has Repeatedly Called Tax Increases On The Wealthy "Class Warfare" But Have Approved Of Plans That Would Raise Taxes On The Poor. Fox figures have repeatedly called any proposals to increase taxes on the wealthy "class warfare," but they have also hyped Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan, which would raise taxes on poor and middle-income families. [Media Matters, 10/6/11]

Fox Hyped WSJ Claim That Number Of "Millionaires" Is Declining. During the August 18 broadcast of Fox & Friends, Fox Business host Stuart Varney hyped a Wall Street Journal editorial claiming that the "number of millionaires" "was drastically cut between 2007 and 2009."

  • In Fact, WSJ Editorial Used Flawed "Narrower Measure" Of Worth, And Many Other Reports Showed The Opposite Is True. Experts told Media Matters that the Journal editorial used a "narrower measure of worth" to back its claim, and a large number of reports showed that as measured in total assets, the number of millionaires has been increasing over the past several years. [Media Matters, 8/18/11]

Fox Attacked Warren Buffett Following Obama's Proposal Of "Buffett Rule." Fox figures jumped to attack billionaire investor Warren Buffett following his New York Times op-ed in which Buffett urged Congress to "immediately" raise rates on "income in excess of $1 million." [Media Matters, 9/20/11]

Fox Claimed Income Made From Capital Gains Is Not Income. In several September broadcasts, Fox & Friends repeatedly claimed that wealthy earners' income faces a "double tax" because income earned from working is taxed, as is income earned through capital gains and dividend payouts.

  • In Fact, Income Earned From Capital Gains Taxes Is Also Income. Income earned from capital gains and dividend payouts is also income, although it is taxed at a lower rate than income earned by working. [Media Matters, 9/21/11]

On Fox, Mark Steyn Called For Tax Break For Wealthy. On the October 20 edition of Fox & Friends, conservative commentator Mark Steyn claimed, "[T]he richest 1 percent already pay enough taxes. What do the richest 1 percent do when you don't take their money? They hire people, they invest."

  • In Fact, Income Of Top 1 Percent Is At Record Highs, But Hiring Remains Slow. While income for the top 1 percent of earners has reached historic highs in the past several years, hiring has remained slow. [Media Matters, 10/20/11]
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    • Author by shaggles (November 07, 2011 1:22 pm ET)
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      All you have to look at is the growing income disparity. If the very wealthy were paying their fair share the gap between rich and poor wouldn't keep widening. Wealth is being redistributed upwards to those who have the most already.
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    • Author by ThomasJH268 (November 07, 2011 1:24 pm ET)
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      It's complete republican number manipulation to say the top 1% pay an unfair amount of taxes.

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    • Author by pete592 (November 07, 2011 1:33 pm ET)
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      Historically low taxes on the rich and they're making more money than ever. This is supposed to lead to an avalanche of job creation, right?
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    • Author by danielsangeo (November 07, 2011 1:40 pm ET)
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      BOEHNER [video]: Come on, the top 1 percent pay 38 percent of the income taxes in America. How much more do you want them to pay? I'll tell you, well, let's take all the money that the rich have, all of it. It won't even put a dent in our current budget deficit much less our debt.


      Boehner is incorrect. The top 1% earn at least $343,927/year in AGI. There are 1.4 million Americans who earn at least this. Let me break out my trusty calculator.

      Assuming that no one makes more than $343,927 (the minimum), if we were to hypothetically take "all of it" (100%), that would be $481.5 billion.

      The current budget deficit is $1.2T. Yes, the minimum would not cover the current budget deficit but it would "make a dent". But people don't make the bare minimum in the top 1%.

      According to IRS, the AGI of the top 1% was about $1.685T for 2010. The current budget deficit is $1.2T. So, that would be a budget surplus of $485B. Far more than a dent. In fact, it would give us a budget surplus.

      And no one is suggesting that we just take everything the top 1% earns in AGI. That's just a silly strawman. But that strawman itself shows that they don't want to tell the truth.
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      • Author by shaggles (November 07, 2011 2:37 pm ET)
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        'Make a dent' in Boehner-speak means 'won't pay for everything for next 100 years so we might as well not even try.'
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      • Author by Unreality (November 07, 2011 9:35 pm ET)
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        Daniel,
        Don't fall for strawmen assertions like Boehner's. It's a trap because you can't make a logical response to an illogical assertion.
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    • Author by Buster (November 07, 2011 1:41 pm ET)
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      A fact that seems to be overlooked is that the uneven distribution of wealth and income has led to large increases in prices as the well-to-do bid up the prices of everything. Two obvious areas are entertainment/sports and gasoline. As the price of gas shot past $3 a gallon several years ago the well-to-do kept on buying. The price kept rising. Finally around $4+ a gallon enough people had to stop and the price rise stopped. In the last 10 years they have built new sports stadiums to pamper to the new larger group of people who now feel that a $20,000 per game box is their right. Recently I sat in the stratosphere for a week night at the US Open Tennis. Those seats were about $100. Sitting down near the court are hundreds/thousands of people who think nothing of $500 seats and often leave them empty. The well-to-do are saying that if you raise their taxes they will only be able to pay $475 and may not be able to sit up front. Most of us don't find that result so tragic.
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    • Author by overmars jr. (November 07, 2011 2:14 pm ET)
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      ERMMMMMMMMMM... care to provide even one of these so-called facts people should believe?

      Sweet Christmas, if you or someone you know watched Fox & Friends, please seek immediate psychiatric help.

      Friends don't let friends listen to Gretchen Carlson for knowledge.
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    • Author by CAL (November 07, 2011 2:16 pm ET)
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      Looking at the facts would not matter to Carlson, or any of her fellow FOXPAC prostitutes getting paid to spread propaganda for the corporatist cause. Their purpose and agenda is set and completely out in the open. All that is left for the sane intelligent sector of our society to is fight tooth and nail to marginalize their warped agenda.
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    • Author by David2012 (November 07, 2011 2:29 pm ET)
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      The fact is that everybody has to pay more taxes, with the high-income people paying a lot more. Letting all the Bush tax cuts expired would be a start.

      The United States does not have a spending problem. It has a revenue problem. And it is by design.
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      • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 2:34 pm ET)
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        agree/disagree. the bush tax cuts should have expired, as originally intended. no, we do have a spending problem. and if you think raising taxes on "everybody" during a recession is a good idea, well, it isn't.
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        • Author by David2012 (November 07, 2011 2:44 pm ET)
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          It depends on what is done with the extra revenue, IMHO. If it puts people to work, instead of sitting squatting on the sidelines in ultra-safe, no-risk investments, then it will be money well-taxed.

          After all, didn't the Bush Administration tell us what a great idea it would be to cut taxes and increase spending during a relative boom?

          And no, not in the short run. Austerity is killing Europe, and it will do the same thing here. We're paying for the stupidity and the excess of the last decade. It is hard to imagine how people could have believed, or ignored, the things they had to believe or ignore in order to think that their behavior made any sense.
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          • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 2:49 pm ET)
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            well you could take enough money via taxation from us all and create a govt job for all 9% who are unemployed, that wouldn't sustain itself or solve anything, in the long run.
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            • Author by David2012 (November 07, 2011 2:53 pm ET)
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              Looked lately at the roads and bridges? The national parks? The port facilities?

              Is this country spending money on high-tech infrastructure like the Chinese are? Is it putting money into basic research?

              Solyndra is out of business because the price of solar panels is falling, the technology moving too fast. Has anybody considered the implications of that? Or would they rather focus on the "scandal"?

              Bah.

              No, the main thing is to cut taxes, always and everywhere, in all economic conditions, in all political circumstances. The agenda is a constant. Only the rhetoric changes.
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              • Author by Vesus (November 07, 2011 3:01 pm ET)
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                Looked lately at the roads and bridges? The national parks? The port facilities?


                If the hypocritical TeaBaggers would stop driving on public roads and bridges, they would be in better shape.

                However, that would require them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps...and government-provided HoverRounds can only go so far.
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              • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 3:02 pm ET)
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                i have no problem with what obama is proposing regarding the infrastructure spending and his latest stimulus proposals.
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 3:41 pm ET)
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                  james does conciliatory as he enters the fray and gets a few good faith answers. All I can say is knowing his history beware of what's to come after he draws you in.
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                  • Author by n'est-ce pas (November 07, 2011 4:17 pm ET)
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                    Yeah, this is tommy's "reasonable" phase. It goes downhill pretty fast of you apply any nuance to the discussion.
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 4:28 pm ET)
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                      I think it goes downhill after the first few perfunctory I-agree-with-the-consensus comments, as soon as someone's response to that comment gives him something to work with (read: twist). Then he keeps it up until too many people are no longer willing to take the bait and call him out on his trolldom instead. He's loath to address that but if that's all there is he has no other choice but to go to the formula - pretend they "can't answer" or ease off for a while. Either way, at that point we've got him.

                      There was a lull on this thread shortly after he started because the community abruptly stopped feeding him. He waited a while and returned to the provocative stuff, figuring he'd see if he could simply resume and maybe someone else had come along by then and would follow him down his track. But for weeks now james has become infinitely familiar with the Law of Diminishing Returns in which the routine works less well each time he tries it. That he continues with these tactics tell me it's that or disappear altogether and either he's a glutton for punishment or his employer won't let him.
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                    • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 4:33 pm ET)
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                      i'll take liberal nuance for a thousand, alex. "what is a slippery argument where direct questions are never answered and word parsing waffles between hidden meanings and covert agendas"
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                      • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 4:36 pm ET)
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                        See? This is the "pretend you couldn't answer" line appropriate for so many of our comments addressing his motives. I predicted it above and he used it anyway.

                        james has 2 1/2 loooooooooong hours left and has already dried the well of willing participants. He's just going through the motions at this point.
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                      • Author by Old_Benjamin (November 07, 2011 4:37 pm ET)
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                        "what is a slippery argument where direct questions are never answered and word parsing waffles between hidden meanings and covert agendas"


                        So you're saying you've engaged in some self-reflection? Good for you.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 4:38 pm ET)
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                          nah, self-reflection is for paunchy libs. Now he doesn't have to do the comment I just wrote for him.
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                      • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 5:01 pm ET)
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                        james

                        We all know you are a dishonest, and ignorant troll. You are also a LIAR. This ignorant tactic of yours where you keep asking a really STUPID question that only shows you are too stupid to be in the conversation doesnt fool anyone. Often you ARE answered and are too stupid to understand the answer. You are pathetic and you always will be
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    • Author by FNC Liberal (November 07, 2011 2:30 pm ET)
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      I agree with Gretchen. We should look at the facts on taxes and income of the wealthy. So, let's start with bossmen Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes.

      Thanks Gretchen for opening that door!
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    • Author by The_Cat (November 07, 2011 2:35 pm ET)
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      The rich will never admit they are undertaxed. Fox Propaganda works for the rich. Fox will never admit the rich are undertaxed.

      That being said, it's always fun to poke big holes in their flimsy arguments.

      >^o.-^<
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      • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 2:46 pm ET)
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        fox doesn't work for rich liberals, they propagandize for the gop. and nobody will admit they are undertaxed, why should they?
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        • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 3:14 pm ET)
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          james

          I am undertaxed and Warren Buffet has already admitted he is undertaxed. Why do you lie so much?
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          • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 3:16 pm ET)
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            call the irs, they will squeeze you in. bring your checkbook.
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            • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 4:06 pm ET)
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              james

              Of COURSE you think I should make donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like you can dodge your societal obligations.
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              • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 4:11 pm ET)
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                you were the one who said you were undertaxed. put your money where your mouth is, otherwise your phony admission is just that. up to you.
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                • Author by n'est-ce pas (November 07, 2011 4:32 pm ET)
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                  Jesus, tommy. This again? You can't overpay the IRS. You can't donate additional taxes. The law requires the IRS to set aside overpayments. Try living in the world with the rest of us, fellah.
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                  • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 4:34 pm ET)
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                    phony admission, figured.
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 4:37 pm ET)
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                      n'est: you gave him a tiny bit of material and he ran with it. Please don't argue on the merits with a dishonest broker, even to ridicule his, well, ridiculous assertions.
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                      • Author by n'est-ce pas (November 07, 2011 4:48 pm ET)
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                        But, see, we all know that tommy's a giant lying liar sockpuppet troll who's not ever, ever, ever going to admit that his worldview doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Showing how incapable he is of dealing fairly in an earnest debate is the only way replying to him at all will be useful.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 4:53 pm ET)
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                          I see your point but I'm skeptical, since Tommy has amply demonstrated he has no shame and is not here to learn anything. Lacking that quality and motivation, he simply takes your response and uses it to push even further into Bizzaro world while never admitting you've called him for the fool he is.

                          When you tell him what he's doing - not contradict what he's saying - you've got him on our turf, where he's on shaky ground.
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                          • Author by n'est-ce pas (November 07, 2011 5:06 pm ET)
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                            Oh no, I didn't mean it would be useful to tommy. I mean useful in the way that clowns and rainbows are useful. As a momentary distraction from the serious business of digging out from the rubble of a once-great nation brought down by idiots just like tommy. Well, idiots who aren't quite so idiotic, that is.
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                            • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:18 pm ET)
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                              if i can just get something useful out of the liberal pablum served up here every day i would be a happy camper, i sure won't get it out of you or your fellow stooges here. your obsession with me is good comic relief but not much else. but hey, laughing at you is like clowns and rainbows though. you're right.
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:22 pm ET)
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                                "liberal pablum" is not quite insulting enough so james pretends we're obsessed with the jacka$$ begging for attention.

                                Remember: there is no substance with a dirty player, only context.
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                              • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 5:34 pm ET)
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                                james

                                That you are too stupid to understand us is not OUR problem. You are a low level moron capable only of remembering what you were told to think. Being able to process actual points made by us instead of mistaking it for pablum would require cognitive functioning and you just flat dont have the requisite equipment for that.

                                We obsess on you like batters obsess on practice pitches. We slap the stupid out of you for fun and entertainment. You are incredibly stupid and that amuses me. You on the other hand laugh because you KNOW you are too stupid to understand and you have to laugh since if you had the capacity for self awareness a gnat posesses you would sob hysterically at the thought of how stupid, brainwashed, and pitiful you are
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                                • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:48 pm ET)
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                                  if you think i don't laugh at you and your fellow comedic jumping jacks on this thread, think again my friend. think again.
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                                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (November 07, 2011 5:52 pm ET)
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                                    if you think i don't laugh at you and your fellow comedic jumping jacks on this thread, think again my friend. think again


                                    Get this idiot a metal (sic)!
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                                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:53 pm ET)
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                                      good one, Ben. He thought that subject had finally fallen by the wayside without having to admit his mistake.
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                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:52 pm ET)
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                                    james tries subtext. It just makes him sound like a copycat.
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                                  • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 5:55 pm ET)
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                                    james

                                    Oh I think you laugh. I think you are so stupid there is no possibility for the self awareness necessary for you to get how bone chillingly stupid you are. If you were just a little bit smarter you would sob hysterically for the rest of your life. You dont understand that you will ALWAYS be this stupid. You will NEVER be capable of thought. Spewing what you were told to think is all you will ever be capable of. Now a rational human as pathetic as you would be mortally humiliated. You just mindlessly do and say what you were programmed to do and say since that is how vapid and inane you are always going to be
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                                  • Author by jonimacaroni1 (November 07, 2011 8:08 pm ET)
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                                    by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:48 pm ET)
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                                    if you think i don't laugh at you and your fellow comedic jumping jacks on this thread, think again my friend. think again.


                                    Exactly. He gets a kick out of luring people in. He thinks it's hilarious that, despite the multiple warnings people have gotten, they still treat him as though his answers are honest, his questions sincere, his ignorance on topics anything but an attempt to trap people into replying to him.
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                    • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 5:05 pm ET)
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                      And james again BEGS us to make donations so that selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like him can dodge his societal obligations
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                • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 5:04 pm ET)
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                  james

                  When my taxes are raised I will gladly pay them. This pitiful talking point Rush programmed you with only works on people as braindead and STUPID as you. You WISH we had to make extra donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like you can dodge your societal obligations.

                  We arent as stupid as you. When will you get that?
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                  • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:13 pm ET)
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                    oh gee, quite an admission there. what do you want, a metal for following tax laws and paying what your legally obligated to pay? i was right, your phony declaration of being undertaxed was just another liberal phony talking point echoed by simpletons such as you. thanks for proving it.
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                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:20 pm ET)
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                      james is relieved there's finally a comment with enough on-text material to twist and spit out. It's about time someone came along with it to interrupt the mail-opening and phone-answering his boss makes him do during lulls at the con factory.

                      An hour 40. Maybe there's something on another thread.
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                    • Author by Old_Benjamin (November 07, 2011 5:22 pm ET)
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                      what do you want, a metal for following tax laws

                      ...

                      echoed by simpletons such as you.


                      (unintentional) Comedy Gold!
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                      • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:24 pm ET)
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                        you get off on typos, i know that. so you figure it out whether i did it intentionally, for your pleasure, or not. i will go with whatever makes you feel good, as long as i don't have to clean up after you.
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                        • Author by n'est-ce pas (November 07, 2011 5:26 pm ET)
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                          Well, there's also the strawman. We all know how you LOVE constructing strawmen, tommy.
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                        • Author by Old_Benjamin (November 07, 2011 5:29 pm ET)
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                          you get off on typos,

                          ...

                          so you figure it out whether i did it intentionally,


                          Poor tommy - can't quite admit to picking the wrong word and then tries to claim it was intentional. Very limpy like - sort of a tweak.

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                          • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:31 pm ET)
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                            i said you can figure it out, and whichever one you want you can go with. now go grab that moist towelette.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:33 pm ET)
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                              this one digs in on the Never Concede Even the Trivial position described in my comment, well, wherever it winds up when we're no longer indenting.
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 5:39 pm ET)
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                              james

                              i said you can figure it out, and whichever one you want you can go with. now go grab that moist towelette


                              GOD but you are stupid. Now go cry yourself to sleep again
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (November 07, 2011 5:31 pm ET)
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                            Actually - more like this...
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:31 pm ET)
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                            Tommy subscribes to the conservative Never Concede Anything, Ever, Even When Trivial rule. It leads to some rather strange positions he must take.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:29 pm ET)
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                          throwaway comment: james does have a quota to meet.
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                        • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 5:37 pm ET)
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                          james

                          It wasnt a typo and you KNOW it. The D and T arent that close to each other. You are so stupid you were confused by the homophone. My GOD but you are a moron
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:41 pm ET)
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                            The wrong word notwithstanding, james is even more stupid for simply not conceding the point. Follow it with a "but that doesn't invalidate my argument" disclaimer if it spares his ego, but at least acknowledge the obvious error instead of making himself an even greater fool for denying it.
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 5:56 pm ET)
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                              highly

                              James is too stupid to even know the first rule of holes
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 6:03 pm ET)
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                                yes he is, kab, and he's too stupid to make sense or be convincing as he digs himself in. What he's not too stupid to do is keep this thing going on his turf as long as we cooperate.
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                              • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 6:04 pm ET)
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                                "the first rule of holes"? hmmm? would that be you can see through them? help me.
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                          • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:46 pm ET)
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                            i won't clean up after benny and i am not cleaning up after you either. keep your fantasies, and your soiled linens.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:46 pm ET)
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                              gibberish still counts with the con factory boss, you know. The quota requires no level of quality.
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                        • Author by chazmanr (November 08, 2011 12:56 pm ET)
                             
                          Gosh darn typos. I always type metal instead of medal now that they moved the "t" right next to the "d". <snark>
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                    • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 5:36 pm ET)
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                      james

                      Again I am sorry you are too stupid to understand the concept. The game is played by the rules that exist not those we would prefer.

                      Metal? GOD but you are stupid. I assume you meant medal.

                      You are stupid. I am willing to pay more taxes. That isnt phony. I will add phony to the long list of words you are too stupid to understand.

                      YOU are just begging US to pony up more in the form of donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like you can dodge your societal obligations
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                      • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:43 pm ET)
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                        well, you said you are undertaxed and are willing to pay more taxes. and you even magnanimously offered to pay your taxes if they are raised. pat yourself on the back for that gesture, you're a real law abider, aren't you? but like other phony liberals who say their taxes are too low, platitudes and declarations are fine, as long as they don't cost you anything. your patriotism on a sleeve schtick when it comes to funding your government sounds cute and generous, but you'd rather thumb your nose at it if it means going near your wallet.
                        you're a phony, i am not impressed, keep your money. just don't tell me that you'd rather give it to the irs, because neither of us believe that baloney.
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                        • Author by n'est-ce pas (November 07, 2011 5:48 pm ET)
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                          Actually, it's pretty evident that you DO believe kabniel, which is what's scaring the bejeezus out of you. See, unlike you, liberals actually do put their money where their mouth is. We consistently vote for people whose campaign promises include raising taxes.

                          Too easy, dumbass. TRY HARDER!
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                          • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:50 pm ET)
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                            believe what? when he said he is undertaxed or when he said he won't pay anymore unless he is forced too, aka when his taxes are raised?
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:51 pm ET)
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                              james is happy someone's still willing to give him material. He hates opening mail and being sent to the file cabinet.
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 6:04 pm ET)
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                              james

                              believe what? when he said he is undertaxed or when he said he won't pay anymore unless he is forced too, aka when his taxes are raised


                              Once again james BEGS us to make donations so a so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like him can dodge his societal obligations
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                        • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 6:02 pm ET)
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                          james

                          It is sad that you dont know how pitiful you are. Do you think that by repeating that ignorant talking point over and over it will somehow become LESS stupid? It wont you know. I am ADVOCATING we pay higher taxes. I am willing to VOTE for it to cost me something. I am NOT willing to make donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like you can dodge your societal obligations

                          You are a LIAR. You hope no one will notice that I keep repeating the very core concept that is behind the ignorant talking point YOU keep repeating.

                          I dont know or care what you believe. First of all you are a LIAR. You lie constantly so what you say isnt necessarily in the ballpark of what you mean. Second you are FAR too stupid to tell me what I think. Where did all you brainwashed morons get the idea you had amazing mind reading powers?

                          You are stupid. You are a LIAR. You are a pathetic and small creature. I pity you
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 6:04 pm ET)
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                            kab: I got it. james is trying to be stupid! He craves stupidity in order to gobsmack us. And he's good at it.

                            Now it all makes sense.
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                          • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 6:08 pm ET)
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                            ok, you're getting closer. so now you'll also "VOTE for it". good. how about until it becomes law, you just drag your wagon to the irs office and write them a check, i mean being a soulful patriotic american non-scum type person that you say you are. can you at least do that?
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 6:21 pm ET)
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                              james is relieved He gets to ignore what he's really about as he continues to argue nonsense. Maybe he can keep this going; if not, if others insist on hammering on the real reason he's here, then he'll just have to return to their turf. Anyway, only 40 minutes to go.
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                            • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 6:21 pm ET)
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                              james

                              And AGAIN james begs me to make donations so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like him can dodge his societal obligations

                              Then tries the old I know you are but what am I gambit that fits his level of intellectual underdevelopment.

                              My GOD but you are stupid james
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                              • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 6:27 pm ET)
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                                if you'd just admit that you have no intention of paying anymore of your undertaxed income to the irs, and it was just something that sounded good when you spouted it earlier, you wouldn't have had to spend the last 3 hours chasing your tail.
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                                • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 6:35 pm ET)
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                                  I suppose the "anymore" was a typo as well. The rest of the bogus argument hardly deserves a response.
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                                • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 8:22 pm ET)
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                                  james

                                  AGAIN begs me to make donantions so selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum like him can dodge his societal obligations.

                                  I am chasing nothing. I am punking you mercilessly. You keep repeating the really STUPID talking point. I keep repeating the very selfish motive of you selfish soulless, unpatriotic, un-American scum.

                                  You want me to do MORE than my part so you can do LESS than your part. I am advocating everyone including me do a bit more.

                                  You are scum but mostly you are very STUPID. You think you will just keep spewing the SAME talking point Rush programmed you with over and over and somehow it will suddenly stop being stupid. It wont stop being stupid anymore than YOU will stop being stupid
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                      • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:45 pm ET)
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                        kab: now he gets to drop the wrong word defense as he tries to argue your point. Just be aware of the fact that you may have helped him out.

                        I can predict what he'll do and say and he does and says them anyway. There's no preemptive blocking with a shameless con.
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                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:46 pm ET)
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                          See? I was writing my comment when james posted his. It's exactly what I warned you, kab: it fed him on his turf.
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (November 07, 2011 5:55 pm ET)
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                            It almost quittin' time.

                            I wonder how long before they fire him? He's never been very good at trolling - but it has gotten much worse.
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                            • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 5:58 pm ET)
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                              fire me? and not allow you the "self gratification" you crave, and the marlboro afterwards. i am here for you, i have told you that before. believe me.
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                              • Author by Old_Benjamin (November 07, 2011 6:30 pm ET)
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                                fire me?


                                Sure, then award you a metal (sic)!
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                                • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 6:33 pm ET)
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                                  i told you i am here for you. another victory for you over me. congratulation, you like these don't you? :)
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                                  • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 6:37 pm ET)
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                                    james reverts to sarcasm. It feels wrong so he pads it with that comforting phrase which repeats in his head as he sleeps.

                                    A little less than 1/2 hour and he's outta here. Since he likes to quite a few minutes early, it's even a little less than that.
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                                  • Author by Old_Benjamin (November 07, 2011 6:39 pm ET)
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                                    congratulation,


                                    Here's your...

                                    metal


                                    LOL! What a complete idiot!

                                    Anyway - I'd appreciate not hearing about all the time you spend thinking about my "self gratification" and/or my "getting off". It really is quite creepy and and a wee bit sick.
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                                    • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 6:41 pm ET)
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                                      aw, Ben, that's all he's got left is creepy and sick. All he can come up with for the next 20 minutes minus the time he leaves early.
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                                    • Author by jamesB (November 07, 2011 6:49 pm ET)
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                                      you're nothing if not predictable.
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                                      • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 6:54 pm ET)
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                                        With mere minutes to go, james reaches for a turnaround. He fails because he's too non-specific.
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                                      • Author by kabniel (November 07, 2011 8:24 pm ET)
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                                        james

                                        you're nothing if not predictable


                                        And you are simply nothing
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                                        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 9:49 pm ET)
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                                          He's also so predictable he signed off right after that comment, just before his 7p.E quitting time.
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                            • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 5:59 pm ET)
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                              Yeah, but I do get frustrated with those still addressing him on the posted item's substance, which is where he wants to be in order to make his asinine assertions. If we did nothing but attack the subtext - his motives, his tactics - his comments would dry up.

                              Anyway he's still got an hour to go after any nugget he can find, as long as they continue to be supplied.

                              One of my mom's favorite lines: don't argue with an idiot. Some are still doing that.
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                              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 6:01 pm ET)
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                                my comment was obviously to you, Ben. Meanwhile james decided to assign motives and repeat the sarcastic phrase that he murmurs in his sleep.
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                    • Author by chazmanr (November 08, 2011 12:54 pm ET)
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                      If you are giving out metals, I'll take platinum.
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              • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 4:15 pm ET)
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                kab: subtext, remember. You're feeding him material to twist.
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        • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 3:42 pm ET)
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          ...and here it is, his provocative phase, which will last until enough of us remind each other that, with james, disruption is the issue, the only issue.
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        • Author by The_Cat (November 07, 2011 6:49 pm ET)
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          fox doesn't work for rich liberals,...

          Rich liberals are an aberration. Most of the wealthy are extremely conservative, because that's the easiest way to stay wealthy. Keep things just the way they are, or even tip them even more in favor of the wealthy.
          ...they propagandize for the gop.

          And the GOP also works for the top 1%. John Boner made that quite clear when he held up unemployment benefits until he got the tax cuts for the top 1%.
          and nobody will admit they are undertaxed, why should they?

          Warren Buffet begs to differ, along with these people.
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    • Author by mathazar (November 07, 2011 3:23 pm ET)
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      Wretched says: <I>the one percent already pays most of the taxes in this country</I>
      The trillion dollar bill for the Bush wars was borrowed from the Social Security Trust Fund.
      Those taxes come from the paychecks of the 99%.
      When the one percenters pony up a trillion dollars they'll be equal .
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    • Author by HughG (November 07, 2011 4:32 pm ET)
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      Carlson:
      "But the other thing is, you know, John Boehner talks about the fact that the top 1 percent already pays most of the taxes in this country."
      "Most" would be >50%. 38% is not >50%.
      And they pay 38% of the income taxes. That's not the same as 38% of all taxes.
      Gretchen, Gretchen, Gretchen. Will you never get your facts or your math straight?
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    • Author by nerzog (November 07, 2011 6:53 pm ET)
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      Beener's a disingenuous hack. He proved it with his condescending response to a question from the press about Grover Norquist. He pretended that one of the most influential Troglodytes was just some "random person".
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      • Author by highlyunlikely (November 07, 2011 6:58 pm ET)
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        Really. Just a random person who happens to own his hide. Can you imagine the text-messaging, email, old-fashioned phone call, or however he communicated to Norquist after throwing him under? Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Boehner tracked down Norquist in person to kneel and beg his forgiveness.
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    • Author by NotSure8 (November 08, 2011 9:35 am ET)
         
      Weren't they the ones using the "fair share" phrase when they wanted the bottom 47% (or whatever number was most convenient for their argument at the time) to pay more income taxes?
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    • Author by GreenLantern (November 09, 2011 8:14 am ET)
         
      I think the real issue here is that the workers that make the millions for these good-ole-boys at the top, are not seeing gains and often cuts.
      Take into account how much companies are pushing health care skyrocketing costs onto employees.
      Take into account how much profit that are going straight into the pockets of people that sit in ivory towers instead of pay raises, bonuses or benefits to the people that are actually doing that work that makes all those profits for that American royalty.
      Take into account how when they are making record profits, they are trying to destroy the main reason most retired people are able to even retire, the Unions!
      Just read a report that shows that even the income disparity between older and younger Americans is at an all time high. That is why retired people and close to retirement are voting repuglican. I got mine SCREW YOU!
      We don't want to "take" money from them, we just want them to pay a fair amount of money to employees for the success of the companies and their fair share of taxes.
      Quit hording and pay fairly!
      UGH!
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