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Bill O'Reilly Calls On Obama To Pursue 1960s Tax Reform

September 23, 2011 4:48 pm ET — 205 Comments

Fox News' Bill O'Reilly is urging President Obama to follow President John F. Kennedy's footsteps and propose lowering taxes for the rich to spur economic growth. But during Kennedy's term, the top marginal tax rate stood at 91 percent and his proposal would have lowered it to 65; whereas, the top marginal rate today is a historically low 35 percent.

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O'Reilly Urges Obama To Emulate Kennedy Tax Proposal For Rich Taxpayers

O'Reilly: "In 1962, President Kennedy Proposed A Big Tax Cut For The Rich In Order To Stimulate The Economy." O'Reilly said on his Fox News show:

O'REILLY: We have been closely analyzing the terrible economic situation in this country: Dow down almost 400 today. And there's no question that President Obama's big-government management solutions aren't working. Also, the tax-the-rich mantra -- a ruse. There's simply not enough people in the entire country to make a dent in the federal debt no matter how much you take from them.

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O'REILLY: I'm standing for Americans with common sense, people who understand that under a Democratic Congress, the nation racked more than $5 trillion in debt in just four years, even as the economy tanked. So, I and many others have come to the conclusion that the liberal tenet of taxing the rich and spending like Arab Sheiks may not be the solution to fixing a moribund economy.

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O'REILLY: Now, I do seem to remember Floyd The Barber and Goober grousing about a 90-percent income tax rate, but it is a myth. The top tax rate in the 1950s peaked at 92 percent. But nobody actually paid anything close to that. In fact, in 1951, the handful of Americans -- we're talking maybe 200 making more than a million dollars a year -- paid about 62 percent. Onerous, to be sure.

But in 1962, President Kennedy proposed a big tax cut for the rich in order to stimulate the economy and encourage investment. And the rates have been moderating ever since. [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor, 9/22/11]

But During Kennedy's Time, The Top Marginal Tax Rate Was 91 Percent

Kennedy Called For Lowering Top Marginal Income Tax Rate From 91 Percent To 65 Percent. From Kennedy's January 14, 1963, State of the Union address:

Now, when the inflationary pressures of the war and the post-war years no longer threaten, and the dollar commands new respect -- now, when no military crisis strains our resources -- now is the time to act. We cannot afford to be timid or slow. For this is the most urgent task confronting the Congress in 1963.

In an early message, I shall propose a permanent reduction in tax rates which will lower liabilities by $13.5 billion. Of this, $11 billion results from reducing individual tax rates, which now range between 20 and 91 percent, to a more sensible range of 14 to 65 percent, with a split in the present first bracket. [University of Virginia Miller Center, accessed 9/23/11]

Top Marginal Tax Rate Was Lowered To 70 Percent In 1965. In 1964, the top marginal income tax rate was lowered from 91 percent to 77 percent. In 1965, it came down to 70 percent. [Tax Policy Center, 1/31/11]

Whereas The Top Marginal Tax Rate Is Now At 35 Percent

The Top Marginal Tax Rate Is Currently 35 Percent. The top marginal income tax rate has been 35 percent since 2003. [Tax Policy Center, 1/31/11]

Indeed, Federal Taxes Are At "Historically Low Levels"

CBPP: The Median Family's Federal Income Taxes Are "Lower Than In Any Year Since 1955 ... Except For 2009." A report updated by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) on April 15 found that "[m]iddle-income Americans are now paying federal taxes at or near historically low levels." From the report:

Middle-income Americans are now paying federal taxes at or near historically low levels, according to the latest available data. That's true whether it comes to their federal income taxes or their total federal taxes.

  • Income taxes: A family of four in the exact middle of the income spectrum will pay only 4.7 percent of its income in federal income taxes this year, according to a new analysis by the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center. This is the third-lowest percentage in the past 50 years, after 2008 and 2009.
  • Overall federal taxes: Middle-income households are paying overall federal taxes -- which include income as well as payroll and excise taxes -- at or near their lowest levels in decades, according to the latest data from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

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This year and last, the Making Work Pay tax credit, which President Obama and Congress enacted as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, is providing a credit of $800 to married joint filers ($400 to single filers). A median-income family with two children thus will receive an $800 tax cut in the return it files this year.

With the Making Work Pay tax credit, the median family's federal income taxes will equal just 4.7 percent of its income in 2010. That is lower than in any year since 1955 (the first year for which these data are available) except for 2009, when taxpayers also received the Making Work Pay credit, and 2008, when another stimulus-related tax cut was in effect.

The post also included the following chart illustrating the average federal income tax rate since 1955:

[Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, 4/15/11]

Former Reagan Adviser Bartlett: As Percentage Of GDP, "Federal Taxes Are At Their Lowest Level In More Than 60 Years." Bruce Bartlett, former adviser to President Reagan and Treasury Department economist under George H.W. Bush, wrote in a May 31 post on the New York Times blog Economix:

Historically, the term "tax rate" has meant the average or effective tax rate -- that is, taxes as a share of income. The broadest measure of the tax rate is total federal revenues divided by the gross domestic product.

By this measure, federal taxes are at their lowest level in more than 60 years. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that federal taxes would consume just 14.8 percent of G.D.P. this year. The last year in which revenues were lower was 1950, according to the Office of Management and Budget.

The postwar annual average is about 18.5 percent of G.D.P. Revenues averaged 18.2 percent of G.D.P. during Ronald Reagan's administration; the lowest percentage during that administration was 17.3 percent of G.D.P. in 1984.

In short, by the broadest measure of the tax rate, the current level is unusually low and has been for some time. Revenues were 14.9 percent of G.D.P. in both 2009 and 2010.

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The truth of the matter is that federal taxes in the United States are very low. There is no reason to believe that reducing them further will do anything to raise growth or reduce unemployment. [The New York Times, 5/31/11]

Bartlett: "[F]ederal Taxes Are Very Considerably Lower By Every Measure Since Obama Became President." In a March 19, 2010, post on Forbes.com, Bartlett wrote that "federal taxes are very considerably lower by every measure since Obama became president. And given the economic circumstances, it's hard to imagine that a tax increase would have been enacted last year." Bartlett continued:

In fact, 40% of Obama's stimulus package involved tax cuts. These include the Making Work Pay Credit, which reduces federal taxes for all taxpayers with incomes below $75,000 by between $400 and $800.

According to the JCT, last year's $787 billion stimulus bill, enacted with no Republican support, reduced federal taxes by almost $100 billion in 2009 and another $222 billion this year. The Tax Policy Center, a private research group, estimates that close to 90% of all taxpayers got a tax cut last year and almost 100% of those in the $50,000 income range. For those making between $40,000 and $50,000, the average tax cut was $472; for those making between $50,000 and $75,000, the tax cut averaged $522. No taxpayer anywhere in the country had his or her taxes increased as a consequence of Obama's policies. [Forbes.com, 3/19/10]

And Economic Circumstances In The 1960s Were Different Than Today

Economist Ed Lotterman: "Economic Times Have Changed Since JFK." Rebutting failed Senate candidate Linda McMahon's (R-CT) invocation of Kennedy to argue for extending the Bush tax cuts, economist Edward Lotterman wrote that "Kennedy entered office with the nation's finances in good shape." Lotterman continued:

Yes, the debt-GDP ratio would fall further until it hit its low point of 32.6 percent at the end of the Carter administration. But with a deficit of only 0.6 percent of GDP for the 1961 fiscal year in which JFK took the oath of office, there was room for additional spending or for tax cuts.

Kennedy knew little about economics and did not hold strong views, relying instead on his economic advisers. These, headed by Minnesota's Walter Heller and including two future Nobelists, James Tobin and Robert Solow, were dyed-in-the-wool Keynesians.

That is, they favored increasing government spending and cutting taxes during a recession. But it also meant they wanted higher taxes and reduced spending when a recession was over.

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Kennedy called for a tax cut because his Keynesian aides advised him to at a time when the national debt was declining in relative terms and when budget deficits were low. No one knows what he would do now. [Bismarck Tribune, 10/10/10]

Kennedy Nephew: U.S. Economy Was Very Different When President Kennedy Proposed Lowering Taxes. In September 2010, the AP reported that Edward M. Kennedy Jr., a nephew of the late president, wrote to McMahon asking her to pull a campaign ad in which she used a video excerpt of a 1963 speech by Kennedy to advocate for tax cuts. In the letter, Kennedy wrote that McMahon "distorts the legacy of President Kennedy in order to mislead voters into thinking" he would have supported her position on tax policy, adding:

In 1963, there was virtually no deficit and the top tax rate was 91 percent for income over $400,000. Today, the annual U.S. deficit is nearly $1.5 trillion and the top tax rate is 35 percent for income over $372,500." [The Associated Press, 9/22/10]

Robert Schlesinger: Kennedy's Advocacy For Tax Cuts Was About "A Very Specific Circumstance." In U.S. News & World Report, opinion editor Robert Schlesinger wrote:

The notion of Kennedy as supply-side forerunner is a powerful myth, but it is a myth. Context is key. Conservatives love to quote a speech Kennedy gave at the Economic Club of New York in December 1962. Here's one quote -- I've italicized the crucial part often left out: "Our present tax system, developed as it was, in good part, during World War II to restrain growth, exerts too heavy a drag on growth in peace time; that it siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power; that it reduces the financial incentives for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking."

JFK was not expounding an implacable economic philosophy; he was speaking about a very specific circumstance. The top marginal tax rate was 91 percent, which JFK wanted reduced to a "more sensible" 65 percent. Compare that with today's 35 percent top rate, and ask: If supply-siders are so enamored of JFK's tax policies, would they advocate a return to a "more sensible" 65 percent top rate? Applying Kennedy's tax talk to the current structure, JFK biographer Robert Dallek says, is like comparing "apples and watermelons." [U.S. News & World Report, 1/26/11]

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    • Author by bootyprof (September 23, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
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      Thank you for the facts MMFA. This is THE argument Obama has to make with independent voters. We have pursued extensive tax cuts since the Nixon years but with very little to show for it. Wealthy people are MUCH MORE wealthy now on a relative basis, yet nothing trickles-down to the masses.

      How is it that tax cutting even further at the top, giving already wealthy people even more will stimulate economic growth? How will giving millionaires yet another tax break help stimulate demand amongst working and middle-class consumers? We cut taxes further under GWBush and ended with the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. There is no definitive correlation between tax cutting and economic growth. There just isn't.
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      • Author by Kidney Bean (September 23, 2011 5:44 pm ET)
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        How is confiscating more wealth from the private sector going to stimulate the economy and create jobs? Obama isn't even going to be able to save his own job, he is using this class warfare BS to divert from the stinking job he is doing. The independents have left him, the conservatives will never vote for him again and all that's left is his liberal base which is unraveling as you speak.
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        • Author by bootyprof (September 23, 2011 5:50 pm ET)
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          It can help us close the budget gap significantly, which would boost long-term economic confidence, and could buttress stimulative programs like Social Security in which money is spent by consumers, increasing aggregate demand. We could hire more cops, firemen, teachers, and construction workers to fix our ailing infrastructure... These would be well-paying jobs that will stimulate aggregate demand for goods and services.

          How is it that giving already very wealthy people even MORE wealth will trickle-down to the masses? How will even more tax cutting stimulate consumer demand?
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          • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 24, 2011 11:46 am ET)
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            The middle class and the poor have been "sacrificing" for the past 3 decades. They've lost buying power. They've been hit with interest rate increases on their borrowed money and interest rate decreases on their savings - they don't have a ton of money invested in stocks or property, which, over the long term are the best investments. The housing bubble hurt a lot of them.

            Top that off with stagnant wages when you factor in inflation and no 'credit' for the vast increases in productivity the middle class used to benefit from, and they've gotten the short end of the stick for years.

            What taxing the richest among us a little more will do is make them sacrifice like they haven't had to do before.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 9:50 pm ET)
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            Again, answer the question. How is confiscating the wealth of the individual going to fix anything? Government does not create jobs, that grow a nations economy. Government jobs, firemen, teachers, cops fill a vacancy. None of those jobs create more jobs. Only private business can do that. All you are doing is swelling the public payroll and that money can only be generated by the taxes payed by an outside private sector job. What about this can you not grasp? All you are doing is growing government at the expense of real private sector growth. We have plenty of government employees already, actually too many. Most are union and cities, states, and national government cannot now meet the union benefit demands that are being placed on them. Government jobs are dead end, end of the road.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 10:13 pm ET)
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              cops eat in restaurants.......
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            • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:01 am ET)
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              kidney

              You are a LIAR and a jerk asking a pitiful and ignorant loaded question. Taxes are not confiscation anymore than paying your electric bill is confiscation. Since you are too stupid to understand this obvious concept why should we bother trying to educate you to the level of minimal sentience?

              You are a LIAR. The government creates jobs all the time. Federal workers are gov created jobs. How many jobs were created by the internet? Rural electrification, NASA, the NIH, the FBI. My GOD but you are so stupid you just think if you say something over and over eventually it will become true no matter how stupid it is

              You end talking about government jobs when you stupidly asserted earlier the government cannot create jobs. Your stupidity is a wonder to behold. What was the multiplier effect of the technology we gained when NASA went to the moon. How many jobs were created from the R&D from that project? You are stupid, you are brainwashed, you are a LIAR who thinks your Randinista dogma was given you by GOD and is unassailable. What is it about THAT you cannot understand?
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            • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 25, 2011 11:47 am ET)
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              Consumer spending creates jobs. That's the main thing that fuels our economy, consumer spending, and some of the consumers who spend money have government jobs.

              And so you're 100% wrong that the government can't create jobs. They can, by directed spending, create many, many jobs, and one of the way they do that is by creating government jobs that then allow some consumers to spend money.

              When the economy is in a period of doldrums, extra spending that wouldn't happen without government economic stimulus helps stimulate the economy! It replaces the missing consumer spending that's missing because of a lack of consumer confidence and due to increased unemployment/underemployment. Anyone who knows anything about the economy knows this.
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              • Author by highlyunlikely (September 25, 2011 5:55 pm ET)
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                How right you are, joni. This is otherwise known as the ripple effect or paying it forward.
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            • Author by Agrajag (September 26, 2011 12:40 pm ET)
                 
              This is hilarious. The last time I looked the government employed 17 million people. That's a lot of buying power for businesses.

              The government also is one of the largest contractors on Earth which then contracts with countless others. Additionally, where do you think firemen and such get their hoses, trucks, food, clothing, health care, etc., etc., etc? These all create more jobs.

              As far as unions insert a big awwwww sound here. Unions negotiated for their rights. If you're not happy with the deals they negotiated then you're not even a capitalist--your a dictator. Your issue should be with those who gave them the benefits in the first place. Just amazing. You want to strip away benefits these people earned but then cry foul when there's talk of taxes. Do you not see the hypocrisy here?

              Lastly, we've been listening to this drivel about trickle-down economics forever. It didn't work for Hoover and it has never worked since. Take your ill-informed Fox-driven talking points and step aside.

              No one is confiscating anything. Just as is the case in all America there's a cost for playing here. Suddenly, now that it's time to pay the bill you want to sneak out and leave just a tip on the table without paying the bill. Sorry. We've let you get away with that so often that now we're all paying for your lack of morality. Enough.
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        • Author by bootyprof (September 23, 2011 5:56 pm ET)
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          Why hasn't the immense amount of wealth accumulated by the top 2% over the past 30 years trickled-down in any measurable way? With corporate profits at historic HIGS, why are wages at historic LOWS even as the top has seen gigantic income increases?

          Why was our economy much more robust when income tax rates were upwards of 80% under Eisenhower or even near 40% under Clinton, yet our economy sputters with tax rates at historic LOWS? Why? Shouldn't things be booming since tax burdens are at historic LOWS?

          How will cutting taxes even further stimulate consumer demand? How?
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          • Author by rightwing71 (September 23, 2011 6:36 pm ET)
               
            My wages are at the highest ever, so who's wages are at the lowest?

            I made $20k in the 70's and am now over $200k, heck, even minimum wage is much higher than the 70's.

            Also, if you took every dollar earned by every American, this would not work either as we would all be homeless and starving with a completely collasped economy.

            Is this what you're looking for?
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          • Author by grmce (September 24, 2011 7:31 am ET)
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            As I wrote elswhere, I'm sure you've all spelt it wrong. It's not "trickle" down, it's "treacle" down - as in that thick sugary liquid that pours at glacial pace.

            Maybe in a century or so after the economy has become a wasteland us plebs might get some goodies.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 9:55 pm ET)
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            It does trickle down moron. Rich people start businesses, they hire people, they produce products, services and if they are successful they expand. Government only confiscates and wastes money. Unless you are hiding under a rock you should see that. The government blows more tax money every day than business can generate. Just cause you don't directly work for some rich guy doesn't mean one didn't invest in the business you do work for. Unless of course you are a government employee in which I can say you better kiss some rich guy's a s s because he is the reason you get a paycheck through the taxes he and his business pays.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 10:15 pm ET)
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              you are a job creator? you certainly have a lot of time to tell me how naughty the government is. did a mailman steal your porch-couch?
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            • Author by Conchobhar (September 24, 2011 10:39 pm ET)
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              And you better kiss some cop, fireman, or teacher's ass, Fartstarter. Not only do they provide the security the private sector needs to hold on to its profits, they provide the educated work force it needs to make those profits.

              That's in addition, as heehee has hinted, to supporting private businesses by spending the money they earn to feed, clothe, shelter, educate, entertain and medicate their families. Every job your "austerity" takes out of the economy injures the economy, and in a consumer-driven economy like this one, teetering on the edge if not already slipping into a second dip recession, that's madness.
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            • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:06 am ET)
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              kidney

              You are stupid and brainwashed and pathetic. I work for the railroad. An industry that was created when the government PAID for the laying of track and awarded land to be developed by the entrepenuers to pay for their rolling stock. Another example of public cost turning into private profit. You are stupid. You refuse to understand that a large part of our economy is this way. I could list dozens of industries that owe their existance to government help

              Morons like YOU have been brainwashed to think we do not subsidize industries when we DO. We hide those subsidies so really stupid people like you can be convinced of this soulless Randinista crap.

              Of course you think we should kiss some rich guys azz. It is what you do constantly. You get way up there in the brown kissing the butt of wealth and power constantly. You have no dignity and you have no self respect. Rich guys should kiss public azz since a whole lot of them wouldnt BE rich without the public investment that allowed their industries to flourish. GOD but you are stupid
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            • Author by Agrajag (September 26, 2011 12:51 pm ET)
                 
              These people make no sense. First it's "corporations aren't paying taxes". Now the argument is they're all paying too much in taxes. These people cannot get their own story straight.

              I keep wondering how lowering the corporate tax rate is going to help with the companies that already pay nothing. For them this would be a huge increase if they paid.

              I'm also sick of the lament of the "rich guy". The "rich guy" that made his fortune in America did so with a huge advantage. Take any of the amazing Wall Street guys. Drop them into Madagascar and see how much money they can make on the Madagascar Stock Exchange. The point is that at every step of the way they had to pay for the privilege to do business here. School wasn't free. The rent for the businesses wasn't free. The equipment they use wasn't free and all of it keeps going up. Yet, the biggest benefit of all--being in America--is the bill these people want to skimp on or skip out on entirely.

              There's a price to doing business in America. If the rich don't like it they're free to go do business anywhere else they like. Why are they doing it here if it's so terrible? The price is taxation. Again, all these poor rich people are free to go dominate the Madagascar opportunities anytime they like.

              Silence.
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        • Author by samurai99 (September 23, 2011 6:03 pm ET)
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          Hey, Kidney, your not helping conservatives with your babble!

          Obama wants to keep running deficits now and then raise taxes in 2013 if the economy is in decent shape. It is your idiot side that wants to 'confiscate more wealth from the private sector' through spending cuts because they're to dumb to realize it will collapse the economy.

          But keep trying. Arguing with the likes of you help keep my wits sharp.
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          • Author by Boswell (September 23, 2011 11:20 pm ET)
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            beans for brains is only interested in helping itself
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          • Author by curiousindependent (September 24, 2011 5:45 am ET)
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            Arguing with the likes of you help keep my wits sharp.
            That has got to be like sharpening a knife with a cotton ball.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:00 pm ET)
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            Hey dumbass, you are the one babbling. Tax cuts isn't confiscating wealth and if you took two minutes to think about it you would know that. The government has a spending problem not a revenue problem. They overspend by 1/3 more money than they take in. It is not our fault the government is in the predicament it is in. They politicians are to blame. All of them. Stop wasting our money and using it to get re-elected. If they would spend smarter you and I would not even be having this conversation. Rich people are not the problem in America, dishonest politicians who have been playing us like saps are.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 10:17 pm ET)
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              no one can spend money to get re-elected if you do not send it to them.
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            • Author by Johaely (September 25, 2011 9:34 am ET)
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              You really don't know how government actually works. These constant cries of "government has a spending problem" are the telltale sign. Government, especially one for such a big country as ours, will always run a deficit. Running government is not cheap. It would be great if you stopped thinking about yourself for a minute, stopped thinking with your pocket and used your brain instead.
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              • Author by Kidney Bean (September 25, 2011 1:11 pm ET)
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                you are the one who has no clue how government works. For that matter I doubt that you even work. Probably sit on your ass blogging idiot replys to intelligent questions while you receive your government check. Am I right?
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                • Author by Johaely (September 25, 2011 1:32 pm ET)
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                  Nope, very wrong in fact. For one, i don't get any "government checks". I'm actually typing this while at work right now. Its a desk job, so its pretty lax. Finally, no, you don't know how government works.
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                • Author by highlyunlikely (September 25, 2011 5:57 pm ET)
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                  in which KB's hopelessly outdated stereotype serves him quite poorly.
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                • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 25, 2011 7:10 pm ET)
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                  "...idiot replys (sic) to intelligent questions"? Please, point us to any intelligent questions you've posed in your lifetime, 'cuz you ain't ever done it here!

                  BTW, did you see the Doonesbury comic strip today, with the honest businessman? You should.
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            • Author by Conchobhar (September 25, 2011 10:34 am ET)
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              Rich people are not the problem in America, dishonest politicians who have been playing us like saps are.
              There's a saying, from the previous gilded age I believe, "An honest politician is one who, when he's bought, stays bought." The "problem in America" (one of many, actually) is the "honest" politicians, and the people and corporations who buy them.
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            • Author by takemycountryback (September 25, 2011 1:50 pm ET)
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              KidneyDouche, tell us...How much do you own on your credit card? How much debt do you have? You think the govt. are the only money spenders and wasters? I gotta hand it to you though, I can see you saved a ton on educations costs.
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        • Author by mikehuck76 (September 23, 2011 6:13 pm ET)
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          I'm with Kidney Bean and O'Reilly - let's raise the top marginal tax rate back to 65! They are both too stupid to know that this would actually be a tax hike. Just tell him we are putting taxes back to the lows that Kennedy wanted to put them at. They are both stupid to find out facts for themselves. So, just don't tell them. This is what they really want as authoritarian followers anyways. Treat them like children since they act like children. 65%! I'm with ya, Kidney Bean.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:06 pm ET)
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            How is taxing anyone 65% of their income going to fix Washington? Does giving a crack addict another kilo of cocaine fix his addiction? NO. What you will do is stifle investment, stifle business expansion. Politicians don't create jobs, they create waste and use your tax money to support losing investments in green energy. They have done it countless times before and they will again. If green energy is going to make it, it must make it on its own. It has to be viable enough for private investment to want to make it work. However don't hold your breath waiting. Private investment isn't likely to work because there simply is no demand for it. Maybe in niche markets but not where it will make a difference.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 10:19 pm ET)
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              I say tax the rich people at 80 percent, they are rich, they should learn to share. Poor people like nice things like food also.
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            • Author by Conchobhar (September 24, 2011 10:47 pm ET)
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              We're subsidizing the richest industry the world has ever known, the oil industry, and green energy has to make it on its own? Baloney.

              Get your facts straight. Kennedy's 65% kicked in at income over $400,000! That would be at least $10 million today.

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        • Author by Chameo (September 23, 2011 7:43 pm ET)
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          This is not about "confiscating wealth" but about paying a fair share into the upkeep of the nation. The wealthy use more of the national resources, get more benefit from them and should pay more for their use, not less.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:13 pm ET)
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            Then what is everyone's fair share? There's 47% of people out there that don't even pay federal income taxes. There is a host of people who don't pay and even get money back from the government that they did not even pay so how is that fair to people who always pay their taxes? How much taxes is enough for you? Why aren't any of you here even remotely interested in seeing government held fiscally accountable for what they already collect? Why aren't any of you damn mad about Solindra stealing a half billion tax payer dollars? Why aren't you even interested that the same politicians that scream they need more are already individually rich and find ways to exempt themselves from the same laws we have to live under? Why do you prefer to attack people who question a government that refuses to operate transparently and instead think I am stupid or brainwashed or lame because I choose to question?
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 10:21 pm ET)
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              you didn't spell Solyndra correctly, no one knows what you are talking about beaner.
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            • Author by Johaely (September 25, 2011 9:39 am ET)
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              There's 47% of people out there that don't even pay federal income taxes.


              Two things: One federal income taxes are not the most, only or worst taxes that people pay. Second, I see it a bigger problem that they are earning so below to tax line rather than they are not paying anything. Taxing them will solve/equalize nothing. 5% of 0 is still 0.

              Why do you prefer to attack people who question a government that refuses to operate transparently and instead think I am stupid or brainwashed or lame because I choose to question?


              You are not questioning. You are whining.
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            • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 25, 2011 11:53 am ET)
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              Yes, there's a ton of people in America who make so little that they can't afford to pay any federal income tax. It's a real shame that they get paid so little - that the poorest people in America have been so disadvantaged over the past 30 years. It used to be that there were many fewer people who made too little to be forced to pay federal income taxes, but they've been forced into that position by the class warfare that the rich have waged against the poor and middle class. Those people have seen their wages stagnate, despite the great increase in productivity that's happened in the computer age. The only people who have gained are the rich - they've hurt the rest of America with their selfishness.
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              • Author by Kidney Bean (September 25, 2011 1:17 pm ET)
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                What a crock. The so called war on poverty started in the 60s and as of yet your stupid projectile policies have done nothing but keep people poor and dependent on the Democratic party to survive. You haven't done a thing to fix that. So don't give me that boo hoo crap about being too poor to pay federal taxes. What you create is a dependency state that will never do anything but vote for you to save them. Something that will never ever come.
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                • Author by Johaely (September 25, 2011 1:36 pm ET)
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                  Because government loves being in debt right? It would eb far cheaper for government if we did not have that many people below the tax line. The poor are too poor to pay federal taxes, but then again, why bother explaining it to you. You obviously lack any semblance of empathy and believe that people who don't agree with your completely wrongheaded view of government are some kind of parasite.
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        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 23, 2011 7:58 pm ET)
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          No one is talking about raising tax rates on the wealthy until 2013. Could you be more ignorant of what's going on?
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:16 pm ET)
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            For you information, see my above posts, I am anything but ignorant. I am not one of your lamebrain 20 year olds who can't even tell you who is the Vice President. You only dumb yourself down by implying someone with the ability to question the status quo is ignorant.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 10:23 pm ET)
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              you do seem very mature. I would guess you are in your prime huh? I rarely see people smart as you. I am glad you know who the vice-president is. now go pay your taxes, my welfare check is due.
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            • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:10 am ET)
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              kidney

              You are absolutly ignorant. You are one of the most ignorant human beings on the planet. You are just so brainwashed you THINK you know things. It arent the things you dont know that are so bad as the things you THINK you know that just arent true.

              You are so ignorant you dont realize that you are not questioning the status quo. You are carrying their water and blathering ignorant propaganda they have brainwashed you with. Your ignorance is monumental
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            • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 25, 2011 12:00 pm ET)
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              I have read your posts, both this weekend and many other times. You've very ignorant, and that ignorance and misinformation has been documented by others countless times.

              Here's what you wrote.

              How is confiscating more wealth from the private sector going to stimulate the economy and create jobs?
              But no one is talking about increasing taxes right now, when the economy still needs stimulating and when jobs still need to be created. There is no "status quo" of taxes being raised right now.

              And then on top of that, raising tax rates on the richest Americans won't impede growth or job expansion or anything else unless the rich behave against their own best interests. When tax rates for the rich go up, they should reinvest their money in their businesses rather than have their profits taxed at a higher rate. Higher taxes actually promote reinvestment and job creation - if they 'spend' tht money that could have been their profits that way, they get full value for that money. If they take that same money as profits, they only get the value after taxes.

              I'm not implying that you're incapable of participating in a debate on this topic. I'm stating loudly and proudly that you're incapable of it.
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        • Author by dkylep (September 23, 2011 8:17 pm ET)
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          Sigh. The only class warfare is the warfare that the wealthy (both in America and elsewhere, but let's confine our debate to just America for this particular topic) have waged against the poor. Successfully I might add.

          In the words of a famous American 'businessman' from back in the day, "The public be damned!"

          That quote seems to be the guiding light behind much of the American businesses that thrive, not to mention the attitude behind many of the rich elite that now essentially rule America like nobility. The monetary divide in America is at historic lows (equaled only by SOME of the 'Banana Republics' but not all) while the class stagnation (if you're born poor in America, you are overwhelmingly likely to die poor, the same if you are born wealthy) is so low that it actually beats out 'stalwarts' like India and China, who are FAMED for their class divisions.

          There has been and still is 'class warfare' in America and it is indeed 'bs', you're right. The only problem is that you're claiming that the wealthy are having it inflicted upon them. It's the other way around. The wealthy have waged the war and, by and large, won it.
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        • Author by Adendrools (September 23, 2011 8:29 pm ET)
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          Kidney Brain wrote: How is confiscating more wealth from the private sector going to stimulate the economy and create jobs? Obama isn't even going to be able to save his own job, he is using this class warfare BS to divert from the stinking job he is doing. The independents have left him, the conservatives will never vote for him again and all that's left is his liberal base which is unraveling as you speak.


          Spoken like someone who is acknowledging that Faux lies and is OK with rolling with it. Ever thought?...............nuf said.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:18 pm ET)
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            And what are you acknowledging? How stupid is it to ridicule someone instead of offering a legit answer? At least I have a thought or two. You just sound like another mindless parrot here chiding along with the rest of the bullies on the playground.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 10:26 pm ET)
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              tell him the real deal kidney bean, let him know your keyboard isn't messing around! kidney will type the hell out any hippie who gives him lip!
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            • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:11 am ET)
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              Yes kidney you have a thought or two you regurgitate endlessly. A couple of thoughts you were TOLD to think by the Randinista propagandists that do your thinking for you. They are stupid and pitiful but they are thoughts. Mindlessly parroting is the ONLY thing you ever do. You are just too STUPID to know it
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        • Author by wookie (September 23, 2011 9:57 pm ET)
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          Well you managed to hit all of the wingnut talking points. I guess you are an achiever. But to answer your quesstion I'll refer you to Elizabeth Warren who pointed out that no one gets rich on their own. That "confiscation" creates the infrastucture and the supports the workers and consumers who allow the "geniuses" to become successful.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:25 pm ET)
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            And you managed to sound like a true Wookie, unintelligible responses to a sane argument. What are yours other than liberal leftwing talking points? How can we have a conversation in this country about what the real problems are when you respond like bullies on a playground instead of providing an opposing argument that makes sense? The idiot who posts just below this is typical of the kind of mindless trolls that post on here who cannot argue a point they only know how to name call like some spoiled child. I am pretty sure at this point that that is exactly what he or she is. Count how many times he/she types liar, brainwashed and stupid. He might as well not even post to me anymore because once I read the handle and see the first stupid posting I ignore the rest of what he/she types. So he is really just posting to himself and anyone mindless enough to read his dribble.
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        • Author by Floyd Massey (September 23, 2011 11:34 pm ET)
             
          Just maybe, it will turn around the class warfare the rich and their minions in the republican party have been imposing on the poor and working class for years.
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        • Author by sjwinner (September 24, 2011 1:03 am ET)
             
          Dear Kidney Bean,

          You stink. The class warfare term you refer to is being used by the Republicans to "protect" the wealthiest Americans.

          That is a large claim that the independents have left him. When have conservatives ever voted for him? (All they do is get in the way.) His liberal base is quite strong, actually. He is on pace to break a billion dollars in revenue for the 2012 campaign.

          You don't stimulate the economy by confiscating wealth. You do, however, help reduce the deficit (in any possible way) by confiscating wealth.
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        • Author by kabniel (September 24, 2011 5:05 am ET)
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          kidney

          GOD but you are stupid and brainwashed. Confiscating? Taxes ar the price we pay to HAVE a society. Is your wealth being confiscated when you pay your electricity bill? Why dont you go live on a desert island and eat nuts and berries then you wont have to pay taxes?

          You are a LIAR. No class warfare from Obama. You are a LIAR the independents will vote for him and have not left him. He will be lucky to get the liberals who were NEVER his base. Liberals are Dennis Kucinichs base. It is astonishing how stupid you are
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        • Author by ponymeup (September 24, 2011 11:56 am ET)
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          Read my piece later in the thread and I will explain why it is better for jobs and business to have higher taxes. And it ain't rocket science FYI.
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        • Author by dommanno3075 (September 24, 2011 3:01 pm ET)
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          How is confiscating more wealth from the private sector going to stimulate the economy and create jobs?
          It's not "confiscation," it's taxation. It's not your money, it's the government's, by law.
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    • Author by MidnightWriter (September 23, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
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      And to think this bozo loves to brag about how he was once a history teacher.
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      • Author by Kidney Bean (September 23, 2011 5:46 pm ET)
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        He is a lot smarter than the campaigner and whiner in chief.
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        • Author by samurai99 (September 23, 2011 5:58 pm ET)
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          You wish.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:30 pm ET)
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            Not a wish just obvious the person who takes the time to listen to either. Obama is a shill, a non vetted elitist who hasn't got a clue on how anything business works. Bill Oreily at least runs a business, he has one up on the whiner in chief.
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        • Author by MidnightWriter (September 23, 2011 6:11 pm ET)
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          A lot smarter, sez you?

          I'm betting if O'Reilly had been a shop teacher you'd be able to identify his students by their missing fingers.
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        • Author by mikehuck76 (September 23, 2011 6:14 pm ET)
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          I agree with you, Kidney. You are certainly whiny and ignorant.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:32 pm ET)
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            Obviously you are totally clueless shmuck. This whole website is about whining and ignorance. From the first liberal whiny post to the last.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 10:56 pm ET)
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              I love liberals kidney, you must be troubled tonight, tell us your problems.
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            • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:16 am ET)
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              kidney

              You are a liar, a punk and a brainwashed Randinista moron without an ounce of decency and those arent even the worst things about you. GOD but you are stupid and pathetic
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        • Author by Adendrools (September 23, 2011 8:32 pm ET)
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          Kinda Brain wrote: He is a lot smarter than the campaigner and whiner in chief.


          "Tides go in tides go out, you can't explain that..." Seriously Kindlin'?
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    • Author by pete592 (September 23, 2011 5:07 pm ET)
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      MMfA veterans have seen Kennedy used this way before.

      Wages, GDP, American manufacturing, and borrowing habits were all very much different back then. Insisting that it works in today's economy is just plain stupid. We've already done the tax cuts and with each passing year there's more and more proof that they didn't work.
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      • Author by curiousindependent (September 24, 2011 5:50 am ET)
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        I'm too near to having to head out for work at the moment, perhaps someone will find it before I get back. I am pretty sure that the jobs number was right around -400,000 between BushCo's appointment and the big crash of '08, but does anyone have any info on what the total job loss is, with the "Bush tax cuts" in place? If memory serves, that would be right at 10 years, now.
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        • Author by Conchobhar (September 25, 2011 9:52 am ET)
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          Check my post above, and/or this. There's a two million job discrepancy between the WSJ article linked to above and this one from Think Progress. I don't know where TP got it's figure of one million net jobs created over 8 years, and the link that might have answered the question didn't work. It seems clear, however that Bush did have some net job growth. He just had the worst record, on that and many other issues, of any president since they started keeping records. He also managed to be the only president to have working families' incomes fall during an economic recovery.
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    • Author by GreenLantern (September 23, 2011 5:32 pm ET)
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      It is disturbing how they use something like the Kennedy tax cuts to make an argument for doing more of their hate-wing agenda today. There are many ways you can take history lessons that are legitimate but this is not one of them. At work, I got this argument and when I tried to use another historical example, I got the "How come when I use historical arguments you say they are not valid, but when you use them, it is OK?"
      The above is a perfect example!
      (My argument was that that historically you can see that lowering taxes has not actually created jobs over the last 30-some years. And I showed some graphs and data. Now he says since I say his argument is false, he can say my argument is false "because we live in a different time!" Way to go faux misinformation channel and billo!)
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      • Author by Kidney Bean (September 23, 2011 5:47 pm ET)
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        There is nothing hateful about telling the truth. The hate is evident everywhere on this site. Hate is the fuel that runs MMFA.
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        • Author by open_mind (September 23, 2011 5:54 pm ET)
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          Hate is the fuel that runs MMFA.--Kidney Bean
          No. Actually it runs on recycled vegetable oil. That explains the slight french fry smell you get when you go here.
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        • Author by watershed (September 23, 2011 5:55 pm ET)
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          Hate! I know!

          I mean, honestly, they've resorted to taking things that O'Reilly actually said and distorting them to the point that they are still things that he actually said, all while refusing to take those things out of context and instead, leaving them in the very same context in which he said them! Then they attach all these meanings to what he said even though those meanings are what he actually meant! It's just not fair to do that to a person. I feel like I'm living in that episode of the Twilight Zone where everything is correct.
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        • Author by GreenLantern (September 23, 2011 6:08 pm ET)
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          Where is the truth in what he said?
          Why is it that repugs are doing so much to hurt the poor, ruin the middle class and.....
          Never mind. I get tired of trying to you you guys that pushing policies that kill people and take food and shelter from poor children and perpetuate racism and other forms of hate are WRONG! Do you even know what wrong and right are anymore? Sure doesn't seem like it. (I just got tired of sugar coating it....)
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        • Author by mikehuck76 (September 23, 2011 6:15 pm ET)
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          Yes, Kidney, your immense hatred of those things you are too ignorant to understand and too lazy to learn for yourself are evident everywhere on this site. But, we mostly feel sorry for you.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 9:40 pm ET)
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            Don't bother feeling sorry for me psycho. I sure have no compassion for you.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 11:02 pm ET)
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              none at all? you better get to church kidney bean, I remember when you were loving and kind.
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            • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:17 am ET)
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              kidney

              You have no compassion period. You also have no integrity, no decency, no humanity and no critical thinking skills. You are about the most pathetic individual ever encountered in a public place
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            • Author by curiousindependent (September 25, 2011 1:12 pm ET)
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              Don't bother feeling sorry for me psycho. I sure have no compassion for you.
              What a surprise. You must be one of those Republican Christians I keep hearing about.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:35 pm ET)
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            Still trying to shut down conversation with name calling? Yeah that is a sure sign of intelligence there.
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            • Author by Conchobhar (September 24, 2011 10:54 pm ET)
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              Read your two posts, back to back. The irony is brilliant. Hoist on your own petard.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 10:59 pm ET)
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              hi kidney, are you off topic again? how is that hemorrhoid of yours feeling? has the swelling gone down yet?
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            • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:19 am ET)
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              kidney

              You do plenty of namecalling yourself. You disgustingly ignorant trollscum. It isnt that you dont like namecalling what you dont like is we are better at it than you. Then again you are incredibly stupid so it reallyisnt that hard.

              As for intelligence you are too stupid and mindless to even know what that is
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              • Author by Kidney Bean (September 25, 2011 1:06 pm ET)
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                asswipe you don't even type as good as I do. Go blow yourself.
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                • Author by heehee..santorum (September 25, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
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                  Have you noticed that everyone likes you in spite of your naughty words? I think four more years of DEMOCRATIC governance will help you a lot.
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                  • Author by highlyunlikely (September 25, 2011 6:00 pm ET)
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                    nah. I've just noticed that he's begging to be banned in order to return to complain about it.
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              • Author by Kidney Bean (September 25, 2011 1:27 pm ET)
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                Name calling is the only thing you idiots understand. To speak the language you have to make sacrifices.
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                • Author by heehee..santorum (September 25, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
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                  Now tell the rest of the class what YOU did on your summer vacation kidneybean!
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        • Author by dkylep (September 23, 2011 8:22 pm ET)
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          There is nothing hateful about telling the truth. The hate is evident everywhere on this site. Hate is the fuel that runs MMFA.


          Yes, there are indeed several posters that I can think of, right off the top of my head, that are indeed fueled by hate and nastiness on this site. Of course, unless you know of a Utopia somewhere, I imagine that such will be the case on virtually every website you go to. Indeed, while I've seen some remarkably boneheaded posters on this site, I've also seen some incredibly eloquent and insightful posters as well. They may disagree with me on issues, but they have the intellect and respect of freedom of speech and of reason to explain themselves and their viewpoints. They're even willing to debate and possibly change their viewpoints, which is something anybody and everybody should respect (but sadly not enough do).

          Claiming what you did is patently false given that those posters exist. Not to mention that I've seen several examples of 'right wing' supporters that frequent this site that are nothing if not hateful and illogical themselves.

          Bottom line? Spread the paint brush around buddy, because your claim could be made of many sites where people might have had bad experiences. It could also be said that every such site the claim is made against could prove that claim equally false (well, I can think of a couple of examples where that wouldn't be true, but not many) by simply referring you to some respectful post by one of its online inhabitants.
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          • Author by NotSure8 (September 26, 2011 2:29 pm ET)
               
            Hate is the fuel that runs MMFA.

            Definitely. MMfA will close up shop when Fox and other media outlets stop spewing it.
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        • Author by kabniel (September 24, 2011 5:08 am ET)
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          kidney

          You are far too STUPID to even recognize the truth. You wouldnt know the truth if it kicked down your door and put holes in your rubber girlfriend. STUPID is the fuel that powers all of you brainwashed morons on the right
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 9:42 pm ET)
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            go f_ck yourself you language deprived idiot. The only words you know are spouted in kindergartens all over the country. Grow the F_ck up.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 11:04 pm ET)
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              they never let ME talk like you are in kindergarten. you must have gone to the OTHER school.
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            • Author by highlyunlikely (September 25, 2011 12:34 am ET)
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              and to think the cons are supposed to be here to make US angry.
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              • Author by Conchobhar (September 25, 2011 1:01 am ET)
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                Well, let's be fair: insulting Kidney Bean's rubber girl friend was hitting below the belt.
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                • Author by heehee..santorum (September 25, 2011 1:50 am ET)
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                  kidney is pretending tonight, I do not think his heart is in it. He mustn't be giving it much attention.
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            • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:21 am ET)
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              kidney

              You dont deserve anything else and you dont give me anything to work with in your post aside from lies, stupidity and brainless talking points. I have a great vocabulary but why waste it on someone as stupid as YOU. Why use words you have no hope of understanding? You have the intellectual capacity of a banana peel
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        • Author by grmce (September 24, 2011 9:31 am ET)
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          The hate is evident everywhere on this site. Hate is the fuel that runs MMFA.
          Not hate, old Bean. Contempt maybe, frustration, sadness, even pity. For some of us, we just don't hate, for others you are not worth it.
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    • Author by okiepoli (September 23, 2011 5:45 pm ET)
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      Bill O'Reilly Calls On Obama To Pursue 1960s Tax Reform


      ...but will O'Reilly praise Pres. Obama if he did?
      Will O'Reilly mention that Pres. Obama wants to let states opt out of portions of the No Child Left Behind Act - Pres. Bush's woefully underfunded mandate that was "rammed down their throats?"

      Can O'Reilly say anything positive about our current President?
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    • Author by donzostevens1082 (September 23, 2011 5:56 pm ET)
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      This is something I fear is a minority opinion, but if you respond to really stupid people, well, that's what they want. Ignore them and they may wither and go away.
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      • Author by Chameo (September 23, 2011 7:49 pm ET)
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        The problem is that if you let the stupidity stand uncontested, some people won't think any further. When I respond to posts that distort and misinform, I don't do it to educate the person posting -- in most cases, they've already made up their minds. There are other people reading who don't respond or post, though, and who will dig into links that dispute misinformation and will recognize the truth.
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        • Author by donzostevens1082 (September 24, 2011 11:10 am ET)
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          A troll moron posted two ad hominem comments above:

          He is a lot smarter than the campaigner and whiner in chief.

          There is nothing hateful about telling the truth. The hate is evident everywhere on this site. Hate is the fuel that runs MMFA.
          There were eleven total responses. Eleven.

          I ride the bus with teenagers doing "your mama" type jokes I'd rather respond to than someone obviously trying to get a rise out of people, and succeeding admirably. Pavlov would be proud. If there is edification in these exchanges, I have sadly missed them.
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          • Author by Chameo (September 24, 2011 12:16 pm ET)
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            I don't consider those to be stupid -- they're inflammatory statements with no misinformation to correct. I agree that those are best ignored.
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            • Author by donzostevens1082 (September 24, 2011 1:18 pm ET)
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              We have reached common ground that some posts should not be responded to, and I am grateful for that. I so tire of disputes. I'm old an weary.

              See the note below that perhaps I am "condescending, smug, [a] know-it-all and "smarmy." I haven't had such a wonderful, pithy attack on me since 1991, when a woman I was dating called to tell me that I was a self-righteous, abrasive, arrogant bastard. (All true, except the last; my parents were married at the time of my conception.)

              God, I still have my edge.
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              • Author by watershed (September 24, 2011 1:32 pm ET)
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                You have an unshakable faith in your own gifts, and you are very pleased to share them with everyone else. That's a wonderful trait, and of course your prerogative.

                However, (and here's the clincher) your posts have as little to do with the topic above as any troll, and you cause as many distractions with your obvious joy in letting others into the fascinating world of "you".

                See how that works? The internet is for everyone. Let it exist on it's own terms.
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                • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 7:37 pm ET)
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                  you have a gift sir, I couldn't have transmitted that message to save my life. a 'troll' usually elicits the most passion and even some good data. plus a word fight is less painful than a fist fight, but sometime really interesting.
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              • Author by dkylep (September 24, 2011 9:24 pm ET)
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                Unfortunately, condescending, smug, know-it-all posts telling people how to use the internet have also been around since it's inception, and nothing can be done about them either.

                It took you longer to write your smarmy "Pavlov" post than it did to scan the eleven (gasp, eleven!) tiny comments you clucked your tongue at. What an enormous waste of time!


                If there's one thing that certain posters on here have down pat, it's trying to make sure that anything even remotely articulate or insightful that doesn't have "Republicans stink" or some variation thereof inserted into it is shouted down as being elitist, arrogant, wordy, smug, etc.

                Essentially what you have is a group of people trying their best to make sure that other people are informed that 'they're not special' and that the only special ones are actually the ones informing of everybody else's non-special status. See, when you get told that you're smug and condescending, you're supposed to feel shame that you've been 'told'.

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                • Author by watershed (September 24, 2011 10:35 pm ET)
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                  Dkylep-

                  Calling people on this board dogs (the Pavlov reference, above) is hardly "insightful" or "articulate". MY post in response to the troll (further above), on the other hand, was pretty damn funny.
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                  • Author by donzostevens1082 (September 25, 2011 12:28 am ET)
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                    I try not to defend myself - I hope my posts stand for themselves, and if not, then I failed - but the Pavlov reference was a metaphor. If I had written instead, "Commenters' knee jerk reaction to an idiot...", it would have conveyed the same problem I have with posters giving idiots a platform.

                    And if I had actually referred to people as dogs, well, the dogs I've known are much more loveable than the people I've known, so my Pavolinian statement would be a huge complement to the less desirable humans I've known. So now you can add that I am "glib, facetious and flippant" to your arsenal that I am smug, condescending, know-it-all and smarmy


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                    • Author by watershed (September 25, 2011 1:08 am ET)
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                      You do love to hear yourself talk.

                      What's the difference between you constantly waxing rhapsodic about yourself, and a troll? I literally cannot see the difference.

                      Oh, I know! The troll, at least, in some sense, knows he/she is a troll, when spouting his/her nonsense.

                      YOU, amazingly, think you're "helping"!

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                    • Author by Conchobhar (September 25, 2011 3:14 am ET)
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                      So now you can add that I am "glib, facetious and flippant" to your arsenal that I am smug, condescending, know-it-all and smarmy
                      Well, being a dog lover (rough translation of my name) means you have some socially redeeming value.
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                      • Author by donzostevens1082 (September 25, 2011 12:15 pm ET)
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                        Mark Twain:

                        Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in.
                        - Mark Twain, a Biography

                        If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.
                        - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar

                        The dog is a gentleman; I hope to go to his heaven, not man's.
                        - Letter to W. D. Howells, April 2, 1899

                        Just FYI.
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                        • Author by Conchobhar (September 25, 2011 12:22 pm ET)
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                          Thanks. It's information I already had. He loved dogs and disliked Micks. Well, nobody's perfect.
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          • Author by watershed (September 24, 2011 12:49 pm ET)
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            Troll posts, and responses to them, have been a staple of comment boards like this one since the beginning of the internet. There is literally nothing that can be done about them, besides a monitor banning the trolls outright. People like to get into it. It's human.

            Unfortunately, condescending, smug, know-it-all posts telling people how to use the internet have also been around since it's inception, and nothing can be done about them either.

            It took you longer to write your smarmy "Pavlov" post than it did to scan the eleven (gasp, eleven!) tiny comments you clucked your tongue at. What an enormous waste of time!
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 7:39 pm ET)
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              seconds even!
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            • Author by dkylep (September 24, 2011 9:16 pm ET)
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              Unfortunately, condescending, smug, know-it-all posts telling people how to use the internet have also been around since it's inception, and nothing can be done about them either.

              It took you longer to write your smarmy "Pavlov" post than it did to scan the eleven (gasp, eleven!) tiny comments you clucked your tongue at. What an enormous waste of time!


              Hi Mr. Pot! I noticed your critique of Mr. Kettle!
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            • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 24, 2011 9:52 pm ET)
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              There sure are things that can be done after someone has made a troll post that can help or hurt the board.

              It's your strawman argument that anyone is suggesting that we can eliminate the initial troll post. What can happen is that people can stop feeding the trolls.

              Unfortunately, ignorant, conceited posters who can't admit to their own failings have been around since the inception of the internet, but something can be done about educating those people about the damage they do when they repeatedly reply to troll posts as though the person they're replying to is here to debate a topic fairly and with intelligence.
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              • Author by watershed (September 24, 2011 10:27 pm ET)
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                Joni, good lord!

                Literally 95 percent of the posters on here, lurker or otherwise, who know full well your history, understand fully and AGREE with what I am about to say.

                You are as guilty as ANY troll on this or any other board in the history of the blessed internet with your insane, obsessive ORDERING PEOPLE AROUND ABOUT INTERNET DECORUM thing. It is so tired! And it is utterly foolish of you to think you have any command here simply because you log in more hours on this board than most.

                You know what? It takes two seconds to pass by a troll's posts. But it takes so many more minutes of your life to decide to take the role of INTERNET MONITOR, and then write some self-invented rules you've decided everyone should follow.

                Bottom line, when ANYONE changes the subject, like you do, or our brilliant Mr. Donzo does above, even if that post is "hey! don't change the subject!", YOU HAVE CHANGED THE SUBJECT. Deal with it.

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                • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 25, 2011 12:13 pm ET)
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                  You're wrong. About virtually every word in your post above. The problem with the ongoing, excessive troll posts here isn't mine. It's the problem with all the people who reply to them as though those people who made troll posts want a debate.

                  This same thing doesn't happen on most other sites. It doesn't happen because on those sites, people have the common sense to recognize the problems that come about because of the replies to troll posts.

                  You are correct that the best solution would be for everyone to simply ignore the troll posts. But since that doesn't happen (some people don't recognize troll posts at all and others don't recognize them sometimes, and other people think it's okay to interact with troll posts), we're going for the next best solution.

                  The problem isn't that we don't know that the best solution is for troll posts to be ignored. The problem is that people like you don't get that we're using the next best solution since the first one is untenable. If people did "pass by the troll posts," we wouldn't use the methods we do to try to get them to ignore the troll posts after they've paid attention to them initially.
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                • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 25, 2011 12:16 pm ET)
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                  Oh and again, it's your strawman argument that anyone is suggesting that we can somehow force the elimination of the initial troll post. And it's your next strawman argument that we're unaware of the best solutions for dealing with troll posts. And it's your ignorance that the issue I raised and others raised was the repeated replies to what are clearly troll posts - following them a little while is hard to avoid at times. Continuing to allow them to pull your chain is the biggest offense and the one that's the easiest to fix, and you failed to address that issue at all.
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                  • Author by Conchobhar (September 25, 2011 12:36 pm ET)
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                    Raging against the wind, Joni. And let's face it; some troll posts are set-ups for some ripping ripostes. Fire up your sense of humor.
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                  • Author by watershed (September 25, 2011 12:38 pm ET)
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                    Oh, Joni.

                    This thread? That was started by the brilliant Mr Donzo, above? It's as long and as distracting as any troll thread. Hell, longer.

                    I find it amazing that you and the brilliant Mr Donzo are SO PUT OFF by what amounts to literally seconds to a few short minutes of, gasp, extra reading! So much so, in fact, that you decide to become message board sheriffs to protect people from the horror of having to READ A LITTLE LONGER THAN THEY NORMALLY WOULD HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

                    Good grief, who cares? You can skip it if you like. Some don't. But you two are here to HELP US poor souls, and then create gigantic, condescending, distracting threads in doing so. I find you, and the brilliant Mr Donzo, the height of both pretension and hypocrisy.
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                    • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 25, 2011 7:17 pm ET)
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                      No, it's not longer than many troll threads. You're either ignorant or lying.

                      It's those of you who object to the reasonable responses which are identifying troll posts and warning people away from them who create the "long" threads. I find you to be extremely ignorant here. If you don't like being warned away from having your chain pulled by a troll, let the troll pull your chain. But you have no reason to suggest that the problem is those of us who make reasonable warnings.
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                      • Author by watershed (September 25, 2011 9:34 pm ET)
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                        First off, I didn't say "longer", Joni. I said "as long".

                        Guess what? You don't have to "warn away" people from trolls, Joni! No one wants or needs you to do that for them. Also, your "identifications" and "warnings" are made under the assumption that the other thoughtful posters here have no earthly idea what a troll post looks like. That's so incredibly condescending of you!

                        And, to top it off, when you start a thread "warning" people away from distracting threads, you create a distracting thread.

                        I know you can't see that. I know you feel, deep down, that you are here doing "important" work, warning people away from an extra 30 seconds of reading. I can tell you think that by the cadence of your writing.

                        But trust me, you aren't.
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                        • Author by watershed (September 25, 2011 9:43 pm ET)
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                          I did say "longer"! Whoops. That hurt my little riposte slightly, eh?
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                          • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 26, 2011 12:24 pm ET)
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                            It's not even "as long." It didn't matter what word or phrase you used. You're wrong. And, on top of that, the reason it's as long as it turned out to be is because of your objections to my reasonable post. It's all on you.
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                        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 26, 2011 12:22 pm ET)
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                          It's not "as long", idiot. In most of this thread, we didn't even get to the point where multiple replies are all the same width. That happens all the time in threads where "good" trolls entice a lot of replies. So, you're wrong, like I said.

                          And I disagree with you that people don't need to be warned away. And it's clear that many people miss troll posts, and fail to recognize them until they've been drawn into long, purposeless threads. I've seen a ton of times here where people have concluded that they were being trolled only after they made many replies to the troll post.

                          It's a fact that many people don't recognize troll posts. It's not "condescending" to be better able to recognize them than others might be.

                          And no, I don't create a distracting thread when I make one post. As I said above, it's those of you who then go on like you've done here who create the thread. You could chose to ignore my warning and continue to respond to the troll post. It's all on you, fool. It's all on you.

                          You, and others like you, who reply to trolls as though they're here to debate are the problem. Those of you who fail to recognize the troll posts and then continue to reply to them after you're warned about them are the problem. Troll posts are a problem across the internet. Some sites are really moderated to strip them of their power. Other sites, like this one, require the people who post here to moderate themselves and others.
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                          • Author by watershed (September 26, 2011 1:13 pm ET)
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                            Jonimacaroni, self-crowned MediaMatters Monitor. You should make yourself a "MMM" hat to wear while you go a-huntin'.

                            I knew you thought you were doing valuable work. You have that vainglorious tone in your writing. "This is IMPORTANT! These people NEED me!"

                            If someone writes something snarky and perhaps even pretty clever (like I might have, way above) in response to an obvious troll post (yes, OBVIOUS, I do not hold with your claim that the posters here, who are smart enough to care about media misinformation, cannot spot a damn troll), it's not a "problem". It can actually be fun! There are a lot of sharp people here, who know that life can also be pretty entertaining at times. And if you don't want to read it, move on.

                            But you, you humorless sow, have decided to waste people's time pathetically trying to save them from...wasting their time. What a strange, wonderful, pointless world you've created for yourself!

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                          • Author by NotSure8 (September 26, 2011 2:44 pm ET)
                               
                            ...we didn't even get to the point where multiple replies are all the same width.

                            Um, yeah it did.
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          • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:38 pm ET)
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            Wow you know big words like edification. Keep it up and you might eventually impress me.
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            • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 11:15 pm ET)
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              kidney bean, you had me at "worthless liberal commie sponge mooch deuchebag" I really go for you brawny Republican types.
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              • Author by Conchobhar (September 25, 2011 10:10 am ET)
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                "deuchebag?!"
                There's no reason to go spreken Deutche.
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                • Author by heehee..santorum (September 25, 2011 10:46 am ET)
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                  it's this way, a 'deuchebag' is a hybrid, it makes it past the monitor, and has that international flavor. OK, maybe flavor isn't what one might look for in a deuche,unless of course you are some kink loving Deutchlander, I always thought a hearty schnitzengruben flavor may be nice. Whoever thought up using vinegar should be swatted, in my opinion.
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            • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:24 am ET)
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              kidney

              How long did it take you to look it up? How long did it take for that six year old to explain the big words in the definition for you? Who would want to impress you?

              You are not here for discourse or discussion. You are here to heap contempt on us to salve your inferiority complex. The thing is you are inferior. You will always BE inferior. You are astonishingly, stunningly, bone chillingly stupid.
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    • Author by terrapin53 (September 23, 2011 6:04 pm ET)
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      Much like science, conservatives have never been good at mathematics or common sense.
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      • Author by Johaely (September 23, 2011 6:08 pm ET)
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        In simpler way, if it requires thinking more complex than "A+B=C", then conservatives are screwed. That includes fields such as logic, math, language and science.
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      • Author by curiousindependent (September 24, 2011 5:56 am ET)
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        Intellectuality and honesty are corrosive to Republiteatard ideas.
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      • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:40 pm ET)
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        I have yet to find a liberal that even knew the meaning of common sense. Obama can't do math either professor.
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        • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 11:18 pm ET)
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          That is PRESIDENT Obama to you commoner.
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        • Author by grmce (September 25, 2011 2:44 am ET)
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          Oi, Kinder Bean! Do you have the faintest understanding of economics? Have you ever studied economic history? For that matter, have you ever studied anything?

          From your snide comments about President Obama's academic background I suspect that you may be an inverted intellectual snob - a useful trait for a Knownothing. Like so many of your ilk you tend to speak with the certitude of the truly ignorant.
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    • Author by nerzog (September 23, 2011 6:15 pm ET)
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      So, Bildo wants a 65% tax rate for rich a$$holes like himself? Maybe that's not a bad idea...
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      • Author by danielsangeo (September 23, 2011 8:16 pm ET)
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        Looks like it. All Obama has to do is to reduce the top marginal tax rate to 65% and BillO will be ecstatic.

        Go for it, Mr. President. :)
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    • Author by YouTubeJEFF9K (September 23, 2011 7:30 pm ET)
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      The top marginal rate should be raised temporarily to 90%. This would enable the hiring of hundreds of thousands of teachers, policemen, firemen, and other public employees. After a few years it could be lowered to 70% or so.
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      • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:42 pm ET)
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        Yeah just what we need More employees on the government payroll. What you need is PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS. LOOK IT UP YOUTUBE. IT MEANS JOBS CREATED IN INDUSTRY THAT PAY FOR THOSE GOVERNMENT JOBS.
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        • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 11:23 pm ET)
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          all jobs in America are Government jobs. the Government just is nice enough to let you live here kidney, you aren't even grateful.
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        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (September 25, 2011 12:21 pm ET)
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          Every worker who makes a paycheck then spends all or part of that paycheck, and by doing so, helps fuel the economy we all share. Consumer spending is what we need more of. 70% of our economy is fueled by consumer spending, and it's irrelevant where their paycheck comes from - it gets spent just the same. The grocery store doesn't know where the money came from. Neither does the apartment complex or the car manufacturer.

          When those government employees spend their money, more cars get built to fulfill their desire for cars, and more groceries get bought, and so more cashiers are hired and food manufacturers hire people too.
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    • Author by Adendrools (September 23, 2011 8:37 pm ET)
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      O'Reilly calls for 65% Tax rates against the advice of coworkers; Resignation letter to follow.
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    • Author by Floyd Massey (September 23, 2011 11:29 pm ET)
         
      Maybe President Obama should follow the Kennedy plan and set the rate for the rich and big business at 65 percent. Perhaps that would satisfy Gretchen.
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    • Author by oscar the grouch (September 23, 2011 11:43 pm ET)
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      So is MMFA "advocating" raising middle income tax rates? That's the people (from most of the info above) that are paying "historically low rates."
      I thought the top marginal rate during some of the Reagan years was 28%, 80% of the top marginal rate.
      Also, we have to remember Obama cut rates by 2 percentage points for the vast majority of Americans.
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      • Author by MidnightWriter (September 24, 2011 9:04 am ET)
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        Top Margin Income Tax Rates.

        For the bulk of Reagan's time in office the top rate was 50%. The 28% rate came at the end of his presidency and lip readers far and wide know how well that worked out for the guy who followed him.
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      • Author by dommanno3075 (September 24, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
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        So is MMFA "advocating" raising middle income tax rates?
        No.

        This has been another episode of "Simple Answers to Stupid Questions."
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      • Author by NotSure8 (September 26, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
           
        MMfA doesn't "advocate" anything but the truth.
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    • Author by usp (September 24, 2011 2:10 am ET)
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      this guy is just dumb.
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    • Author by ponymeup (September 24, 2011 11:53 am ET)
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      Call me stupid but when taxes are high, high earners reinvest in their companies to shelter the income. Lower taxes would reward people taking money OUT of their companies because they would not have to pay much tax ON the income. Therefore higher taxes promote more investment and hiring. I mean, how stupid do they think we are? Oh, yeah.................They think we are REALLY STUPID!
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      • Author by Kidney Bean (September 24, 2011 10:45 pm ET)
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        HEY BRAINIAC, WHEN TAXES ARE HIGH THEY DO NOT INVEST IN ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY GET TAXED ON INVESTMENT. THEY WILL MORE THAN LIKELY PAY OFF EXISTING DEBT WITH THE MONEY AND SHELTER THE REST. THEY WILL NOT HIRE WORKERS IF THE PRODUCTIVITY IS NOT THERE DUE TO DECREASED DEMAND.
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        • Author by Conchobhar (September 24, 2011 11:01 pm ET)
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          It doesn't make any more sense when you shout it, Fartstarter.
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        • Author by heehee..santorum (September 24, 2011 11:46 pm ET)
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          you are incorrect kidney bean, you do not know what you are talking about.
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        • Author by kabniel (September 25, 2011 3:29 am ET)
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          kidney

          We already KNOW how stupid you are. We already KNOW how brainwashed you are. Shouting the same stupid idiocy you have spewed dozens of times still doesnt make it true or right. That talking point has been shredded a few dozen times you have to be a MORON to not undestand that investment follows demand and a small tax increase will not effect that

          You are a moron though. You are far too stupid to think for yourself and you KNOW that. You spew what you were told to think. Endlessly. Truth, reality, facts, these things mean nothing to you. You have Randinista dogma given you by GOD and if the facts show different too bad for the facts. I notice Clintons tax increase didnt wipe out the economy. I notice Bushs tax cuts didnt help the employment situtation. You dont care. You will keep spewing this mindless crap till the stars burn out no matter what happens to prove you wrong
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        • Author by Johaely (September 25, 2011 9:45 am ET)
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          Hiring is not tied to taxation. It's tied to demand/necessity. How is the fact that people get taxed on investment a discouragement. Sales taxes and processing fees don't discourage people from buying stuff. Why would taxes do so?
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          • Author by Chameo (September 25, 2011 10:30 am ET)
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            Not only is hiring not tied to taxation, but people don't get taxed on investment. You get taxed on the money you keep, not the money you spend.
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        • Author by Chameo (September 25, 2011 10:23 am ET)
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          Let's try this in simple words. You get an epic fail because your first line is a flat-out lie. People do not get taxed on investment. They get taxed on the proceeds of their investments. They get taxed on the money they take OUT of their business not the money they put into their business. Do you even understand that the very best tax shelter you can use is investing your money in your own business?

          When they put more money into their business, they can deduct that money from the amount on which they have to pay taxes. When you reduce the amount on which you have to pay taxes, you pay less taxes. Therefore, when you reduce taxes, you are encouraging them to take money OUT of their business and put it into their pockets. When you raise taxes, you are encouraging them to keep money in their business.

          That doesn't mean that they will hire more workers. It may mean, however, that they decide this is a good time to replace the old machine with a new one, remodel the factory for better energy efficiency or invest in R&D for improvements on a product because doing those things will actually reduce their tax burden -- they deduct the expense from their taxes and may even get other incentives. All of those things provide work for other companies, which keeps people working or puts more people to work.

          That, my dear, is common sense, which depends on understanding common knowledge, which you have clearly shown you don't.
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          • Author by Conchobhar (September 25, 2011 11:35 am ET)
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            Spot-on Cham. Way over Bean's kidneys, though.
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          • Author by NotSure8 (September 26, 2011 3:11 pm ET)
               
            Another thing they may decide to do is give raises and/or bonuses to their existing workers, which gives them more purchasing power and therefore increases demand for other businesses.
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      • Author by Chameo (September 25, 2011 10:28 am ET)
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        Nah, they think their base is really stupid -- and they're apparently right, since Mr. Common Sense above actually believes that people are taxed on their investments rather than on their investment income.
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    • Author by skiploader1111 (September 24, 2011 12:53 pm ET)
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      DEAL. O'Reilly wants 65% taxes. Done! We'll take it. No take backsies!
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    • Author by SoapyJohnson (September 24, 2011 3:54 pm ET)
         
      A reminder of how popular the first stimulus bill was ...
      http://placeitonluckydan.com/2011/03/how-popular-was-the-stimulus-bill/
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    • Author by SoapyJohnson (September 24, 2011 3:55 pm ET)
         
      A reminder of how popular the first stimulus bill was ...
      http://placeitonluckydan.com/2011/03/how-popular-was-the-stimulus-bill/
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    • Author by SoapyJohnson (September 24, 2011 3:55 pm ET)
         
      A reminder of how popular the first stimulus bill was ...
      http://placeitonluckydan.com/2011/03/how-popular-was-the-stimulus-bill/
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    • Author by Virgil_Kane (September 24, 2011 3:56 pm ET)
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      The case could be made for top marginal tax rates to go back to 91%. The ultra rich should pay their fair share.
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    • Author by ileanastyles (September 25, 2011 12:58 am ET)
         
      During this economic downfall we all need some help with our taxes and many of us don’t know where to turn. http://bit.ly/pb1lpg
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    • Author by LibsAreAVirus (September 26, 2011 1:42 am ET)
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      How can you call 35% historically low if income tax didn't even exist at the founding of this country? I'm not advocating a return to those original tax rates. I just feel that it might be a little irresponsible to report this. I've seen much criticism of FNC for way less.
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