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On Fox, Lars Larson Seizes Opportunity To Rehash Immigration Myths

June 01, 2011 5:13 pm ET — 27 Comments

On Fox News, radio host Lars Larson repeated the myths that immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime and that the Obama administration "has not been great on deportations." In fact, data don't support the claim that undocumented immigrants have high crime rates; moreover, under Obama, deportations are at an all-time high.

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Larson Falsely Claims Undocumented Immigrants Commit "A Larger Proportionate Share" Of Crimes

Larson Claims "Illegals" Are "Involved In More Than Their Share, A Larger Proportionate Share, Of Criminal Activity." Discussing the illegal immigration enforcement program Secure Communities, Larson stated on Fox News' America Live:

LARSON: Illegal aliens, like it or not, are populated by the millions in our country. They come here, they take jobs, they send billions of dollars out of the country, and, unfortunately, they're involved in more than their share, a larger proportionate share, of criminal activity. States should be looking out for their own citizens by saying we're gonna identify these illegals, and then alert the federal authorities so they can be deported. [Fox News, America Live, 5/31/11]

In Fact, Studies Find Immigrants In General Are Less Likely To Be Incarcerated Than U.S. Citizens

Public Policy Institute Of California: "U.S.-Born Men Have An Institutionalization Rate That Is 10 Times Higher Than That Of Foreign-Born Men." In a February 2008 study, "Crime, Corrections, and California," the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) found:

The difference only grows when we expand our investigation. When we consider all institutionalization (not only prisons but also jails, halfway houses, and the like) and focus on the population that is most likely to be in institutions because of criminal activity (men ages 18-40), we find that, in California, U.S.-born men have an institutionalization rate that is 10 times higher than that of foreign-born men (4.2% vs. 0.42%). And when we compare foreign-born men to U.S.-born men with similar age and education levels, these differences become even greater. [Public Policy Institute of California, 2/08]

PPIC: "[I]mmigrants Are Underrepresented In California Prisons." In its February 2008 study, PPIC found that "the foreign-born, who make up about 35 percent of the adult population in California, constitute only about 17 percent of the adult prison." According to PPIC:

[I]mmigrants are underrepresented in California prisons compared to their representation in the overall population. In fact, U.S.- born adult men are incarcerated at a rate over two-and-a-half times greater than that of foreign-born men. [Public Policy Institute of California, 2/08]

Immigration Policy Center: "[I]ncarceration Rates Among Young Men Are Lowest For Immigrants." According to a 2007 Immigration Policy Center (IPC) report, "data from the census and other sources show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated":

In fact, data from the census and other sources show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated. This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population. What is more, these patterns have been observed consistently over the last three decennial censuses, a period that spans the current era of mass immigration, and recall similar national-level findings reported by three major government commissions during the first three decades of the 20th century. The problem of crime in the United States is not "caused" or even aggravated by immigrants, regardless of their legal status.

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Among men age 18-39 (who comprise the vast majority of the prison population), the 3.5 percent incarceration rate of the native-born in 2000 was 5 times higher than the 0.7 percent incarceration rate of the foreign-born. [Immigration Policy Center, 5/23/07]

"Low-Immigration" Think Tank Acknowledges Data Don't Support Claim That Undocumented Immigrants Have High Crime Rates

CIS Acknowledges Claims Of High Crime Rates Among Illegal Immigrants Are Not "Well Supported." In a 2009 report, the Center for Immigration Studies found that "poor data quality" means that the claim of a high crime rate among "immigrants overall or illegal immigrants in particular" is not "well supported." CIS, which describes itself as a "low-immigration, pro-immigrant" research organization, writes on its website: "The data collected by the Center during the past quarter-century has led many of our researchers to conclude that current, high levels of immigration are making it harder to achieve such important national objectives as better public schools, a cleaner environment, homeland security, and a living wage for every native-born and immigrant worker." From the November 2009 CIS report (emphasis added):

Some opinion surveys show that the public thinks immigrants overall or illegal aliens in particular have high rates of crime. On the other hand, a number of academic researchers and journalists have argued that immigrants have low rates of crime. In our view, poor data quality and conflicting evidence mean that neither of these views is well supported. Given the limitations of the data available, it is simply not possible to draw a clear conclusion about immigrants and crime. [Center for Immigration Studies, 11/09; Center for Immigration Studies, accessed 6/1/11]

CIS: "[T]here Is No Clear Evidence That Immigrants Commit Crimes At Higher Or Lower Rates Than Others." In the same November 2009 report, CIS stated (emphasis added):

In conclusion, we find that it would be a mistake to assume that immigrants as a group are more prone to crime than other groups, or that they should be viewed with more suspicion than others. Even though immigrant incarceration rates are high in some populations, there is no clear evidence that immigrants commit crimes at higher or lower rates than others. Nevertheless, it also would be a mistake to conclude that immigrant crime is insignificant or that offenders' immigration status is irrelevant in local policing. The newer information available as a result of better screening of the incarcerated population suggests that, in many parts of the country, immigrants are responsible for a significant share of crime. This indicates that there are legitimate public safety reasons for local law enforcement agencies to determine the immigration status of offenders and to work with federal immigration authorities. [Center for Immigration Studies, 11/09]

Larson Misrepresents Obama Administration's Record On Deportations

Larson Claims Obama Administration "Has Not Been Great On Deportations." On Fox, Larson criticized the state of California for attempting to opt out of the Secure Communities program, saying:

LARSON: Now the Obama administration has not been great on deportations, and neither was the Bush administration, but it would be nice to see states stand up for their citizens. In this case, California is selling out California. [Fox News, America Live, 5/31/11]

In Fact, Deportations Under Obama Are At An All-Time High

Deportations Have Increased Under Obama. According to data from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), nearly 100,000 more people were deported by ICE in both 2009 and 2010 than in 2007. [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, accessed 2/14/11]

Deportations Of Convicted Criminals Are At Their Highest Levels. According to AZ Fact Check -- a project of The Arizona Republic, AZCentral.com, 12 News, and Arizona State University -- "ICE has removal numbers immediately available for only the past 10 fiscal years, and according to those figures, the most convicted criminals were indeed removed in fiscal 2010." [AZ Fact Check, 2/9/11]

Wash. Post: "Obama Administration Is Deporting Record Numbers Of Illegal Immigrants." The Washington Post reported in July 2010 that "removals reached a record high in 2009" and "the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007."[The Washington Post, 7/26/10]

Data provided to Media Matters by ICE show that the agency has already removed more immigrants who have committed crimes from the U.S. in 2010 than in any previous year:

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    • Author by pete592 (June 01, 2011 5:47 pm ET)
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      Being employed by the Campaign For Obama's Failure means resorting to lies when your scare tactics aren't supported by the truth.
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      • Author by mary59 (June 01, 2011 8:20 pm ET)
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        Lars hasn't let facts in the way for some time now. Sorry he's a local Portland resident
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        • Author by n'est-ce pas (June 01, 2011 9:14 pm ET)
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          I didn't even know he was still on. I walk past the studio for 750 KXL every morning on my way to work. Maybe I should toss a brick his way....
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          • Author by pete592 (June 01, 2011 10:23 pm ET)
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            He still plagues Portland. KXL moved to 101.1fm.
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            • Author by mary59 (June 01, 2011 10:55 pm ET)
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              Do either of you ever post on blueoregon? I don't because I refuse to get a facebook account, but I read it fairly often.
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            • Author by n'est-ce pas (June 01, 2011 11:21 pm ET)
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              I thought 101.1 was KUFO. Huh. The only radio I listen to is 91.5, 89.9, and of course, AM 620.

              And no, Mary, I've never posted on Blue Oregon. I too eschew the Facebook.
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              • Author by pete592 (June 01, 2011 11:40 pm ET)
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                KUFO is no more. 95.5fm The Game was moved to 750am, right after they axed the Jim Rome show, the jerks. I used to divide my morning between Hartmann and Rome depending on my mood. I turn it to 89.9 during Ed's time slot.
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              • Author by curiousindependent (June 02, 2011 9:46 am ET)
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                So wait... your local hatewing radio station went to the frequency that used to be k UFO? I guess they are returning to the mothership?

                You couldn't write that kind of comedy.
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    • Author by samurai99 (June 01, 2011 6:34 pm ET)
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      Found an interesting article out of georgia. Apparently their new strict immigration law is hurting their farming industry.

      Link
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      • Author by 4teepee (June 01, 2011 10:40 pm ET)
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        It helps legal farm workers to get better pay. So, of course, the farm industry does not like it.
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        • Author by katanakumori (June 01, 2011 11:54 pm ET)
             
          They would pay them with rice if they could.

          The bosses need to be taught a lesson!
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        • Author by jonimacaroni1 (June 02, 2011 11:09 am ET)
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          No, it hurts farmers who can't get enough bodies in the fields to harvest their crops! Letting food rot in the fields rather than being able to get it to market and sell it isn't in the best interests of the farm industry.

          Thanks for showing us that you didn't even bother to read the link.
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          • Author by 4teepee (June 02, 2011 4:51 pm ET)
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            The way to get more bodies in the field is to raise the pay. If someone is too inefficient to pay a market-clearing wage, he should get out of the business and make way for someone who can pay. That is standard economic theory. There is no such thing as a labor shortage, only a shortage of employers able and willing to pay a market-clearing wage. Thanks for showing you know nothing about the subject.
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            • Author by jonimacaroni1 (June 02, 2011 10:13 pm ET)
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              It's you who is showing that you didn't even read the article on this topic, and therefore isn't well-enough informed on this topic.

              Even offering bonuses, they couldn't find sufficient help! You're wrong as wrong can be, and too stubborn to admit it.

              There's a limit to the wages that farmers can pay, as it is directly translated into the price of fruit and veggies in the grocery stores. And there are many jobs that migrants and guest workers will do that Americans won't, and it helps the US economy to be able to pay those workers lower wages rather than paying higher wages.

              Your blindered look at this subject just makes you look like a fool.
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              • Author by 4teepee (June 03, 2011 3:26 am ET)
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                "And there are many jobs that migrants and guest workers will do that Americans won't, and it helps the US economy to be able to pay those workers lower wages rather than paying higher wages."


                You mean it helps you and agribusiness. It hurts legal farm workers. Maybe we should take in illegal immigrants to undercut your wages and take your job.

                Take an economics course. Your ignorance is appalling.

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    • Author by wookie (June 01, 2011 9:49 pm ET)
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      Larson of course doesn't mind outsourcing taking jobs and sending billions of dollars out of the country.
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    • Author by 4teepee (June 01, 2011 10:35 pm ET)
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      To Bob Beckel, it is a game. If you get caught sneaking in at the border, you get sent home to try again. If you aren't caught, you get to stay. That will stop illegal immigration. What a hoot!
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 02, 2011 11:50 am ET)
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      JUST BUILD THE DAMNED MOAT!

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      ...AND FILL IT WITH ALLIGATORS!
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    • Author by wesley (June 02, 2011 1:24 pm ET)
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      -- In fact, data don't support the claim that undocumented immigrants have high crime rates -- mmfa

      What the data does support...according to the ICE report...is this:

      2007 to date...we have deported 1.6M immigrant scofflaws. Of that number, nearly 700K were convicted criminals. 40% of those deported were criminals. With a population of illegal aliens estimated in the millions...well, you do the math.
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      • Author by jonimacaroni1 (June 02, 2011 3:19 pm ET)
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        Off topic and irrelevant to this discussion, but that's all you can do, it seems.
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        • Author by NotSure (June 02, 2011 3:44 pm ET)
             
          Actually it is relevant, as the original claim was that "undocumented immigrants" commit more crime, and the only evidence offered to counter it was icarceration rates that don't even mention said "undocumented immigrants", presumably because they often don't get incarcerated, they get deported.

          That said, I don't know if wesley's information is correct or not, or if his assertion is or not, but let's at least use the proper evidence to refute the claims.
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      • Author by wookie (June 02, 2011 3:32 pm ET)
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        The math might involve the fact that criminals are more likely to be deported than the rest.
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      • Author by whatIthink (June 03, 2011 8:09 am ET)
           
        Okay, learn a little math.

        Between 2007 and now, according to ICE (ICE Report), about 1.3 million people were deported. About 670,000 were convicted criminals. Thats a little over 50%. So, what that does that tell us? It tells us that the majority of the deported were criminals. What it doesn't tell us is that the majority of immigrants commit more crimes than any other group.

        Moron, if you actually took the time to think about what you wrote you would realize that you're only arguing on behalf of Obama's immigration policy and not against it. Obama's policy has deported more criminals. Only people with twisted thinking like you would try to use that as proof that immigrants as a whole are mostly criminals.

        Teh stoopid....it burns...
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        • Author by NotSure (June 03, 2011 9:49 am ET)
             
          But aren't they committing crime simply by being undocumented?

          It doesn't look to me like wesley was arguing either side of "Obama's policy" in his post.
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    • Author by milcon (June 03, 2011 1:03 pm ET)
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      Aside from typical liberal BS excuses for illegal immigration how about this? Have the FBI add the 10-20 million illegal aliens here "ILLEGALLY" added to the crime statistics. What is it about "illegal" don't you get? What is it about Obama's administration fighting any reasonable illegal immigration laws passed by states don't you get? Rhetorical question. It's the illegal amnesty vote you want to pass you progressive socialism programs at the expense of this nation. That's what Obama and you all want.
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (June 03, 2011 1:29 pm ET)
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        Ooh, ohh! You're an idiot.

        1) Under President Obama, we've deported a record number of undocumented immigrants (that's the legal term, doosh). This is despite the fact that illegal immigration is down by 30 percent due to the recession.

        2) States have no authority to enact immigration laws. The Constitution of the United States (you know, that document you wingnuts never read but like to use as a prop every time you want to make a point) reserves the power to make laws regarding immigration to the Congress.

        3) Being in this country is not illegal. It's a misdemeanor to cross the border without authorization, but absent actually catching them at the border, undocumented immigrants cannot be convicted of a crime. They can be deported, which again is happening at a higher rate under PRESIDENT Obama than under any previous American president.

        4) Did I mention that you're an idiot? Cuz you are. A giant wingnut zombie lying liar with not even an elementary grasp on the facts and an unreasonable conviction of your righteousness. Love the strawman by the way. Which president signed the one and only illegal immigration amnesty law in the history of this country? Why, golly! That'd be Saint Ronald Reagan, that would! Whodathunkit!
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    • Author by milcon (June 03, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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      The illegal immigrant population in CA jails/prisons is estimated conservatively as high as 30%. Will you admit that the illegal population in CA is 30%. If so why is that liberal CA? If not how do you explain the %?
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