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Fox's Doocy Falsely Claims Health Care Ruling Creates A Tax That's "Going To Hit Everybody"

June 29, 2012 11:05 am ET

From the June 29 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

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    • Author by dogbreath (June 29, 2012 11:10 am ET)
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      SSSSSPPPPIIINNNNNNN.
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    • Author by Jimijams (June 29, 2012 11:11 am ET)
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      Did Doocy just come from his second job delivering milk?
      What's with the white suit?
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      • Author by rkcomments (June 29, 2012 1:42 pm ET)
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        "Did Doocy just come from his second job delivering milk?"

        LOL!! Classic!!!!
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    • Author by nerzog (June 29, 2012 11:11 am ET)
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      Apparently, this is the Troglodyte Talking Point Du Jour; one of our visitors tried it out yesterday.

      Of course, it's bullish*t, like all of their talking points. The tax only applies to those who don't buy insurance, and within that subgroup, there are numerous exemptions.

      So, it is not a tax on "everybody".
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      • Author by Jimijams (June 29, 2012 11:26 am ET)
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        It will tax everyone who attended Glenn Beck's Resorting Fear Rally which be some expert estimates is close to 900 billion people.
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      • Author by montanabuddha (June 29, 2012 11:49 am ET)
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        PolitiFact gave Rush a Pants on Fire rating for calling it the largest tax in history.
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        • Author by notsure5 (June 29, 2012 3:57 pm ET)
             
          NIce. I especially liked this part:
          Luckily, there's enough U.S.-based research that we don't have to explore the tax increases of the Roman Empire, adjusted for inflation.
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    • Author by MickD (June 29, 2012 11:15 am ET)
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      Hey Stoopid, even your sheeple know if they have health insurance, they won't have to pay a penalty, especially if Medicare is paying for their walkers and oxygen tanks.
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      • Author by wenfen (June 29, 2012 11:21 am ET)
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        Well, actually, their sheeple really don't know, because they believe this shiite coming from Fux!

        I hate these scum buckets.
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    • Author by foole (June 29, 2012 11:19 am ET)
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      Hokay Dummy, first it's not a tax. Second, if you get health insurance, it won't hit you. Third, you're being so dumb about this you're making Kilmeade look like Albert Einstein.
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      • Author by Jimijams (June 29, 2012 11:34 am ET)
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        Albert just spun so hard in his grave the earth just moved backwards by a full three seconds.
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    • Author by wenfen (June 29, 2012 11:19 am ET)
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      The Doof says: "It's a tax for those who don't wish to buy insurance." Well, in my world (reality) there aren't people who "don't wish to buy health insurance," but there are people who can't afford it. You know, like my three young adult sons. They would like to have health insurance, but their jobs don't offer it. They all have unpaid medical bills right now that will most likely eff up their credit for years to come.

      Isn't that how all us parents in "free" America wish our kids to start out lives?

      No?
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    • Author by draftedin68 (June 29, 2012 11:21 am ET)
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      Sitting in his leather chair, Roger Ailes types furiously on his keyboard, mumbling an unbroken string of profanities and then he pauses, types some more and presses "SEND."

      Moments later, words scroll up the teleprompter in front of today's occupants of The Sofa Of Stupid.

      And Doocy begins to read aloud...

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    • Author by jeffnky (June 29, 2012 11:23 am ET)
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      I would really enjoy talking to fans of Doocy and ask them why they would trust this idiot with anything but reading the weather report. He should have one fan, his mom, how could anybody else take him serious?
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    • Author by beDecent (June 29, 2012 11:23 am ET)
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      Not me, and not you either, Steve; we have health insurance.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (June 29, 2012 11:30 am ET)
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        If you give him long enough, Pornstache Stossel will be able to come up with a way to convince people that health insurance is slavery and people should be free to go without. He has poo-pooed food regulations on sodium and calories. He says obesity and diabetes aren't problems because people should be free to eat as much of whatever they want because we have drugs and doctors to fix any resulting problems. I'm sure he could be persuaded to lobby for the poor health insurance companies that will have to take on the fat sickos into their plans at the expense of company profits.
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    • Author by 5047 (June 29, 2012 11:29 am ET)
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      Wow! Your Cable Channel couldn't even report the Supreme Court Ruling correctly. Now you have your "Commentators" out there obviously not schooled on what it said making comments on it that are not true. The only people being "taxed" are the ones who fail to get on board and get health care insurance. If they don't want to take the initiative to get it than Uncle Sam will just have to give them a gentle nudge. This should please you all. Don't you encourage taking Self Responsibility? No, you are more beholding to Mr Norquist to never raise taxes. By calling it a tax you can talk your crazy BS.
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    • Author by blk-in-alabam (June 29, 2012 11:30 am ET)
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      The health care bill saves tax payer dollars by canceling hundreds of millions of dollars per year in government give away money for fake bio-fuel tax credits to companies like koch industries paper mills connected to high cancer rates for people living close to their mills
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    • Author by beDecent (June 29, 2012 11:30 am ET)
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      I live in MA and there were some people protesting the decision on my way home from work yesterday. I couldn't help but laugh: WE HAVE HAD THE SAME LAW HERE FOR YEARS. The decision doesn't affect anyone here in the least. And about 98% of MA residents have health insurance, thanks to the law. It's been largely successful here. The only problem I've heard of is a lack of primary care physicians, since more people are seeking primary care. But you know what that creates? JOBS.
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      • Author by epkklk851 (June 29, 2012 11:41 am ET)
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        I was on HuffPo the other day, and a guy claimed to be from MA and he said that healthcare costs had gone through the roof and people were struggling to pay their insurance bills. I checked out MA stats in Wikipedia. MA has a highest number of physicians per 100,000 patients. If you're still having problems finding doctors, that would seem to be a lot more jobs, and how bad is it for other parts of the country?
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        • Author by beDecent (June 29, 2012 11:57 am ET)
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          That's MA Neocons' favorite talking point, and it's untrue. I don't know the stats exactly, but costs have NOT gone "through the roof." And just like the ACA, there's a system in place for those who still cannot afford insurance: the Health Connector. When I was attending college part time and working at a liquor store, I was able to receive free health insurance via the Connector, because of my low income. (The caveat for getting 40 hours/week at the liquor store was that I had my own health insurance so they didn't have to pay, which, in hindsight, sounds like they were having me commit fraud. So, for me, the burden didn't come from the state, but from the business I worked for.)
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          • Author by epkklk851 (June 29, 2012 12:38 pm ET)
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            Oh, okay. I spent a month in Boston three years ago; I was there for the beginning of an internship. (I just graduated on Wednesday!) I loved it. My hotel was down by the Constitution and I had a great view of the harbor. My reading this morning said a lot of good things about healthcare in MA. And healthcare has gone up, all over the country. I'm planning on going back to Boston this fall for a vacation. My daughter was very fond of Boston Brick Red Sam Adams.
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            • Author by beDecent (June 29, 2012 1:15 pm ET)
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              Congratulations! Yes, Brick Red is so tasty, and you can only get it in Boston, not even just in MA. If you haven't, you should tour the Sam Adams brewery in Jamaica Plains. (Really, any brewery tour is a good time.)
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              • Author by epkklk851 (June 29, 2012 2:03 pm ET)
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                I'll bave to consider the tour. I'm not much for beer, but I like their "Cherry Wheat". I'll have to bring back some Brick Red for my daughter.
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              • Author by Liberal in the South (June 29, 2012 2:08 pm ET)
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                Had to get in on this, lived in Boston for 6 years up until about 2 years ago. While the Brick Red is amazing, I personally liked going to the Kinsale for a 'gansett ;)

                P.S. Have you heard, do you know the name of the restaurant that serves brunch on Sundays and has a live Reggae band? I went there once, just walked in, and it was amazing, I'm going back in a few months and I want to find it again...
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                • Author by beDecent (June 29, 2012 3:11 pm ET)
                     
                  I'm partial to IPAs, myself, and am a big fan of Wachusett's Green Monstah. I'm pregnant and one of my biggest post-pregnancy fears is I'll go to sip an IPA and think, What the hell, I liked this?! We shall see!

                  I have not heard of that place, are you sure it's a regular thing? Honestly, it sounds like you could walk into any bar in Allston for brunch and find something like that. THOUGH, if you go to Big City (above the Sunset Grill & Tap, which has upwards of 200 beers on tap!) and order a mimosa with brunch, it's free. =) It isn't advertised, just one of those things you need to know about to get.
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            • Author by okiepoli (June 29, 2012 2:02 pm ET)
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              Another degree?
              Well, congrats to the grad...
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              • Author by epkklk851 (June 29, 2012 4:11 pm ET)
                   
                Not quite a degree. I was in an internship program and had to take courses that lead to professional certificates, but the class load was probably equivalent to a Masters. It was all paid for by the taxpayers. I could make more money doing the same for private industry, but I feel obligated to continue serving my country. (Which is why it burns me when people say Liberals are not patriotic.)
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      • Author by bintx (June 29, 2012 11:45 am ET)
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        Yeah, I heard that less than 1% of MA residents have to pay the fine.
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        • Author by beDecent (June 29, 2012 11:59 am ET)
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          Just about that. Around 2% don't have insurance, but the majority of that 2% don't make enough per year to be fined for it.
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    • Author by bintx (June 29, 2012 11:44 am ET)
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      No, it isn't. The "tax" only hits the people who can afford to purchase insurance but refuse to do so. It's their choice. In Massachusetts, under the Romney "individual mandate," less than 1% of the citizens have to pay the "tax." Why? Because over 98% of citizens in Massachusetts are covered by insurance.
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      • Author by shaggles (June 29, 2012 12:07 pm ET)
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        Yep. But you know they're going to argue that buying insurance itself is an "effective tax" and therefore everyone takes a hit. It's bs but that will be their arguement (assuming anyone in the media ever has the balls to make the point you made.)
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        • Author by bintx (June 29, 2012 12:24 pm ET)
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          What's funny about is that the "tax" is used to pay for the medical care of the people who refuse to purchase insurance when they show up at an ER with no insurance.
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          • Author by notsure5 (June 29, 2012 4:05 pm ET)
               
            I think it roughly parallels car insurance. If you don't get it and get caught, you pay a fine. If you do get it, you're paying money instead to the insurance company, but at least you get something in return.
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    • Author by shaggles (June 29, 2012 11:54 am ET)
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      If by "everybody" he means people who can afford insurance but refuse to act responsibly.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (June 29, 2012 11:56 am ET)
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      Did anybody notice that Retchen is back?
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 29, 2012 12:00 pm ET)
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      This is so stupid.

      First of all? ~85-90% of us already HAVE Health Insurance.

      Second of all, those who don't, and buy it? Will be purchasing a SERVICE from a PRIVATE CORPORATION. How it that any more of a TAX than buying groceries?

      And finally, that "tax" (fine, fee, etc...) that some people WILL pay? Is entirely by their own choice. It's COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE.

      But hey: These guys have been acting like <1% of the population is "everyone" for YEARS now, so I should hardly be surprised.

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      • Author by shaggles (June 29, 2012 12:26 pm ET)
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        I agree with you 100%. I would say though that the law should allow those who have sufficient personal funds to pay for their medical care without insurance to avoid the penalty. I think that's how the auto insurance mandate works (in my state at least.) I know that's giving rich folks a pass but why make them buy insurance if they aren't a burden on the system without it? I don't have strong feelings about this though. I'm sure someone will be able to convince me I'm wrong.
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        • Author by motorcity (June 29, 2012 2:00 pm ET)
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          I was thinking along the same lines. If they were able to keep a minimum amount in an escrow account to cover the worst case medical bills, say 250K to 500K, then sure, give 'em a pass on the penalty. The money could only be used for medical expenses, couldn't be protected by bankruptcy, and if the account dropped below the minimum would have to be replenished in a reasonable amount of time, 30 days maybe. And it would have to be post tax dollars, this wouldn't be a tax shelter.

          I tend to think people with the resources to do something like this are smart enough to protect their assets through insurance, but if they'd prefer to tie up that much cash to avoid paying premiums or the penalty, why not?
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          • Author by shaggles (June 29, 2012 2:07 pm ET)
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            I don't know that I'd be that restrictive. As long as they can show they have the money to take a large hit and aren't allowed to weasel out of it if they actually have to use it. But of course they'd find a loop hole so your way is probably better.
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            • Author by motorcity (June 29, 2012 2:45 pm ET)
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              Exactly why I'd make it so restrictive, too much opportunity for shenanigans otherwise.
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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 29, 2012 8:22 pm ET)
                   
                Thing is... Unless you're both unusually healthy AND unusually INactive, (meaning you won't have health issues OR injuries) Health Insurance isn't that bad a deal. If they have that much money anyway? They might as well just buy the plan they think works the best for them.

                This is just a case of the Right not liking it when the Left tells the what to do, even though this was EXACTLY what the RIGHT was prescribing for America two Presidents ago. So either the IDEA has somehow become liberal in the last 20 years, or the Democrats have moved to the Right, or the Republicans have gone off the deep end. (Hint: Two of these are tue, and the first one ain't!)

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    • Author by AB-001 (June 29, 2012 12:13 pm ET)
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      And we have found our talking point!
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    • Author by shaggles (June 29, 2012 12:15 pm ET)
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      Saw Cantor on CBS This Morning. What a clown. I give credit to the anchors for actually asking a couple of reasonable questions but then they let him slide when he gave non-answers. For example one of them (Erica Hill?) said something like 'Mitt Romney and the Republicans have said they want to repeal the healthcare law but have been very short on specifics about what they would replace it with.' To which Cantor didn't reply with 'THat's not true. We've been very specific. We want to have a patient centered approach, not a govt run plan that tells you what kind of insurance you can have and gets between you and your doctor' (or words to that effect.) WTF does that mean? How is 'a patient centered approach' in any way specific. And in what way does the ACA 'get between you and your doctor?' Unfortunately Hill didn't ask.
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      • Author by bintx (June 29, 2012 12:26 pm ET)
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        Well, Mitt Romney laid out his plan yesterday. It's identical to the ACA with no funding.

        What Cantor said is BS, but then it usually is. He is so weasly that he makes my skin crawl to hear him speak.
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        • Author by shaggles (June 29, 2012 12:49 pm ET)
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          Well that solves all the problems doesn't it. Unfunded things always work so much better. And with the money they'll "save" they can afford to cut taxes even more. Oh wait. Tax cuts are free anyway so they don't need to do that. \sarcasm
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        • Author by dogbreath (June 29, 2012 1:07 pm ET)
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          Cantor is a truly despicable breed. Speaking of media malpractice, I was watching John King yesterday and he had one some gal from the Romney campaign. They man literally let her filibuster for 3 minutes. He asked no questions about what she said, nor did he really press her on Romney's past positions. It was just shameful. Immediately afterward cames Ari Fleischer, blowing his usual BS.

          CNN is such a joke.
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          • Author by epkklk851 (June 29, 2012 2:00 pm ET)
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            We were sitting at the dinner table last night, listening to the news about healthcare, one of my daughters heard Cantor speak. "He's such a slimly little B@$tard!" I reminded her that her uncle had said that he wanted to "Confiscate his 'Jew Card'". My daughter's response was that every group had their own slimy little b@$tard, and he was theirs.
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            • Author by draftedin68 (June 29, 2012 2:19 pm ET)
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              But not as slimy as Lieberman.

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              • Author by epkklk851 (June 29, 2012 2:22 pm ET)
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                True, but Lieberman has hamstrung himself. He isn't really welcome in either party. Cantor is Number 2 in the House...and outside of it, as far as that goes.
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                • Author by draftedin68 (June 29, 2012 2:52 pm ET)
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                  True - and I think he's been taking back-stabbing lessons from Lieberman, so The Orange One better keep watching his six.

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    • Author by rhogensons@aol.com (June 29, 2012 2:44 pm ET)
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      324,000,000 won't have to pay the tax.
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