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Maddow: Fast And Furious Investigation Is The "Specific" Version Of NRA Leader LaPierre's Obama Gun Conspiracy

June 21, 2012 1:13 am ET

From the June 20 edition of MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show:

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Previously:

NRA's LaPierre Reveals "Obama Conspiracy" To Fool Gun Owners, Repeal Second Amendment

"Communist-Trained" Obama's "Massive" "Conspiracy": Extremist NRA Goes Over The Edge

NRA's LaPierre: Obama Will "Break The Back" Of 2nd Amendment In 2nd Term

LaPierre Doubles Down On "Obama Conspiracy" In Washington Times

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    • Author by Aeval (June 21, 2012 4:13 am ET)
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      One of the symptoms of Obama Derangement Syndrome is that the ones suffering from it are willng to listen to every idotic argument how ever unlogical it may be, and believes it to be fact.
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    • Author by Maimonides 03 (June 21, 2012 5:44 am ET)
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      The NRa is simply a lobby group for gun manufactures and gun sales. they are not concerned with anything else. They would prefer a Republican in power because they own most Republicans.\

      Trying to discredit President Obama is simply a way to gain more influence.

      When, or if, Americans realize they have been played by the righwing, the gun lobby should be their first to pay restitution for their lies.Oil and gas will also be in that line.

      If you want guns, that's fine but don't misrepresent their true nature. Do not make so many false claims about how they "increase" your safety.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (June 21, 2012 8:56 am ET)
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        Being Republican is an example of the length that people will go through in order to justify their own greed, racism and irrational fears...and they are pretty freakin' hopeless as human beings.
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        • Author by Superchick2 (June 21, 2012 4:33 pm ET)
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          In that vein, I would encourage everyone to see the whole segment and not just this small snippet. It's informative and very entertaining. A 30 second ad proceeds it though.
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          • Author by liberalXtian (June 21, 2012 9:21 pm ET)
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            Thanks for the link. I have just spent a lot of time catching up on TRMS. The long video (18 minutes) illustrates what sets her apart from the conservative loudmouths. She has analyzed the behavior that she has witnessed over the past couple of years, has a theory and spends her time presenting her evidence, laying out the facts and coming to her conclusion with logic and intelligence and allowing us to follow along with her thought process. You may disagree, but you must appreciate her presentation. Contrast with the recent Obama hit piece on Fox News recently.
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        • Author by dashriprock1999 (June 21, 2012 6:53 pm ET)
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          My conservatism is in regards to our bankrupt economy, the $15 trillion dollar debt, the trillions in uderfunded pensions, the continued explosive growth of government waste, more taxes & more regulations that prevent manufacturing in this country.

          I'm not greedy. My biggest money concern is having enough to retire. I grew up in Lousiana, Alaska & Oklahoma. I've had white friends, black friends, Eskimo friends, Vietnamese friends, Native American friends and I am friends with many people from India I work closely with. One of my best friend's family escaped Castro. Mexico is one of my favorite places to vacation. Mexicans have more warmth, friendliness & hospitality in their little toes than in the entire country of France. I fell in love with and made a fool of myself chasing after one of the most beautiful, charming & intelligent woman I have ever known, who happened to be African America.

          So now I am deemed a greedy, racist, irrational & hopeless human being because I don't march lockstep with the liberal mindset.

          Liberals rant & rave about intolerance to minorites (and I agree that racism is evil) but absolutely hate & despise anybody who disagrees with their politics or economic theories.

          What's it like to perfect in every way and 100% correct about every aspect of the human condition? Were you born that way or did you learn it from the the Supreme Being?
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          • Author by Johaely (June 22, 2012 10:12 am ET)
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            more taxes & more regulations that prevent manufacturing in this country.


            Taxes and regulations don't prevent manufacturing in this country. Without said laws, our quality of life would be deplorable for the few places that still have factories left. Greed has been the reason for sending work offshore: companies see that its much more profitable to go to a country where they can exploit the populace and soil the land without having to worry about the consequences, and our tax code outright encourages it.

            I grew up in Lousiana, Alaska & Oklahoma. I've had white friends, ...


            Constantly harping about how NOT racist a person is denigrates their own tolerance. You should go on a speech about how you are not racist. You should prove it without saying it. Talk is cheap. I do too have a very diverse group of friends, but i don't talk about it because i don't see the need.

            So now I am deemed a greedy, racist, irrational & hopeless human being because I don't march lockstep with the liberal mindset.


            No would be a "greedy, racist, irrational & hopeless human being" when you start acting like one.
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          • Author by 17andLiberal (June 22, 2012 1:20 pm ET)
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            My conservatism is in regards to our bankrupt economy, the $15 trillion dollar debt, the trillions in uderfunded pensions, the continued explosive growth of government waste, more taxes & more regulations that prevent manufacturing in this country.

            The bankrupt economy...caused by the "conservative" deregulation of the financial sector.
            The debt, caused in large part due to "conservative" wars and tax cuts that were unfunded.
            Underfunded pensions, the result of conservatives rolling back workers' rights, along with financial deregulation allowing bankers to gamble with that pension money.
            Government waste, like 10 year wars against the wrong people? Like tax breaks to people and corporations that don't need them? Like subsidies to big oil and gas?
            More taxes? Taxes are at an all time low.
            And I wish regulators were half as powerful as you make them sound. A "conservative" tax code that actually incentivizes outsourcing has done a fine job killing off our manufacturing jobs unassisted. Or how about the "conservative" demonization of education, the refusal to reign in tuition growth because of "free market principles", the insistance that education is a privelege and not a right, and the apparent disdain for federal student loans that result in fewer Americans having access to an education that would prepare them for a good manufacturing job?

            Really, you just made one of the worst arguments for your cause I've ever seen.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (June 21, 2012 8:58 am ET)
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        Being Republican is an example of the length that people will go through in order to justify their own greed, racism and irrational fears...and they are pretty freakin' hopeless as human beings.
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        • Author by Turkeysocks (June 23, 2012 2:00 pm ET)
             
          Being a Republican has nothing to do with greed, racism or irrational fears. I know people who call themselves Democrats who are greedy, racist and hold irrational fears.

          I know number of Republicans who are ashamed of the direction their party is going towards. They remain because they want to try to bring their party back to true conservative roots. They don't like Obama, but they know that a lot of the attacks on his policies have a lot to do with not just racial prejudices but also irrational fear mongering. I don't know who they are going to vote for, but they don't like Mitt based upon his record and the fact that he's flip flopped from what he told voters during the primary and what he's saying right now.
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    • Author by The_Cat (June 21, 2012 9:03 am ET)
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      Dear NRA,
      This is an open letter to you, and Mr. LaPierre specifically, to clear up a few matters.
      Let me begin by saying that even though you would likely call me a liberal, I firmly believe in the 2nd Amendment and the rights it protects. I think that the right to keep and bear arms is important to our American way of life.
      My second point is that, among thinking Americans such as myself, the violence on our Southwestern border has almost nothing to do with the failed operations of Project Gunrunner. Rather, and ironically, it is the result of 40 years of failed Republican drug policy.
      How amusing, then, to see you castigating the Left for something that the Right has actually done! The last piece of significant gun legislation was passed, if I recall correctly, under the Reagan administration, just after Mr. Brady was shot.
      The upshot is that the reason that President Obama didn't do anything during his first term regarding gun rights is because he has NO PLANS to do anything of the sort, either this term or during the next. And if he does try enact draconian legislation concerning firearms, you will quickly find out how many whom YOU think comprise the 'other side' will come to your defense.

      Signed,
      The_Cat
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      • Author by Adendrools (June 21, 2012 11:52 am ET)
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        Kitty wrote: I firmly believe in the 2nd Amendment and the rights it protects. I think that the right to keep and bear arms is important to our American way of life.


        I'm glad to see you believe in the 2nd amendment. But if you truly believed in what the 2nd amendment says "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." then you believe the right to bear are went away with the necessity of a well regulated militia. Why does everyone who wants to wave a gun in the air refuse to acknowledge this is one sentence if you take away the cause you must take away the effect. The 2nd amendment was never about vigilante justice, just read it.
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        • Author by The_Cat (June 21, 2012 4:55 pm ET)
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          What exactly makes you think a well regulated militia is no longer necessary? After all, we still have one, because the militia is simply able-bodied males between the ages of 18 and 45. I have no desire to 'wave a gun in the air'. I do not own guns personally, but I will certainly re-affirm that this right exists. You may not be a big fan of guns, and I understand that position as well, but the right to keep and bear arms has been understood and protected as an individual right of American citizens since the founding of this country.
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      • Author by Adendrools (June 21, 2012 11:54 am ET)
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        Kitty wrote: I firmly believe in the 2nd Amendment and the rights it protects. I think that the right to keep and bear arms is important to our American way of life.


        I'm glad to see you believe in the 2nd amendment. But if you truly believed in what the 2nd amendment says "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." then you believe the right to bear are went away with the necessity of a well regulated militia. Why does everyone who wants to wave a gun in the air refuse to acknowledge this is one sentence if you take away the cause you must take away the effect. The 2nd amendment was never about vigilante justice, just read it.
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        • Author by danielsangeo (June 21, 2012 7:53 pm ET)
             
          You must be reading some commie liebrul Constitution. The pro-American true patriot God-loving Constitution's 2nd Amendment says, in full, "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

          I don't know where you're getting this "militia" rubbish.

          </snark>
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    • Author by jjamele2880 (June 21, 2012 9:03 am ET)
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      "Fast and Furious" is just another of a long line of really bad ideas created during the Bush Administration that the Obama Administration mysteriously chose to continue.

      It's not that there's a big investigation into this disaster now that's the problem- the program should have been cancelled on January 20, 2009 and the investigation should have been launched THEN. But this Administration is, and always has been, too damned busy trying to play Let's Make Up and Work Together with people who have no interest in anything except destroying it.

      Once again, it's come back to bite the President and his cabinet. Will he learn anything from it? Heck, why start now?
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      • Author by jeter2 (June 21, 2012 9:36 am ET)
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        You nailed it with the truth jjamele. Now let's see how certain folks here handle that truth. Those with open & fair minds will agree with what you've written.
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        • Author by wenfen (June 21, 2012 9:59 am ET)
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          I completely agree with jjamele. I too, am frustrated with Obama's willingness to compromise with Repubs. in light of the fact that they will not reciprocate.

          However, I wonder if Obama might be tiring of the games. His policy change in regard to the young undocumented immigrants, seems to me, to be his way of saying "Eff you guys, this is how it's about to be from now on." (I might be dreaming)

          Next week, Congress debates the Bush tax cuts. I am very, very interested to see if Obama will come out and take a firm stand this time around. I swear, I do not know if I could completely stand by him anymore if he does not declare that these tax cuts should end. To me, I believe this issue and his handling of it, will draw that proverbial line in the sand. If he really cares about this economy and all Americans, he will do the right thing. We shall see...
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          • Author by jjamele2880 (June 21, 2012 10:22 am ET)
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            We can only hope. I'm very, very skeptical, but just maybe the President will want his legacy to be something more than "First African American President."
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            • Author by wenfen (June 21, 2012 10:40 am ET)
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              Yes. And further, I would love for him to be vociferous about raising the minimum wage to at least 10 dollars an hour. It's disgraceful our country is the only industrialized country that does not pay a living minimum hourly wage to its' workers.

              I cannot help but feel that the sinister ways of the right wing, complicit with the also corporate owned Democrat party, will be the ultimate undoing of the middle class in this country.

              I am not middle class. I am now poor. The only time I have ever had experience being middle class was during the Clinton administration. I was married and my husband and I both had good paying jobs. In retrospect, of course, Clinton had a big hand in the eventual demise of so many American jobs. (NAFTA). Therefore, I am suspicious of both Dems. and Repubs. I am not unaware of the ugly nature of politics and politicians in general.

              I feel so hopeless at times. I really do.
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              • Author by Bronwyn (June 21, 2012 3:15 pm ET)
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                Good posts, both of yours and Jjamele's. We need a living minimum hourly wage and universal health care. Maybe some folks can now get Health Insurance for the first time, if they are on a group plan and can afford the premiums, but many still can not. The decline in living conditions for so many of our citizens should be an embarrassment for our entire country. It should not have happened. Living conditions should have continued to improve for every American and probably would have if not for the insatiable greed of those at the top.

                I hope you see a turnaround real soon.
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          • Author by JW, Denver (June 21, 2012 11:39 am ET)
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            While I don't always agree with Obama on how he handles the GOP, I will support him to the end. The alternative is unthinkable.
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        • Author by pete592 (June 21, 2012 12:25 pm ET)
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          I thought jjamele had a perfectly reasonable take, but you seem bent on spite and vengeance against 'certain folks' before anyone else so much as utters a word in response.
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        • Author by congero6189599 (June 21, 2012 12:44 pm ET)
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          What was there to disagree with in jj's post? Many posters here have said the samething voicing there frustrations about this administration.
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          • Author by jeter2 (June 21, 2012 2:01 pm ET)
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            Pete say: I thought jjamele had a perfectly reasonable take, but you seem bent on spite and vengeance against 'certain folks' before anyone else so much as utters a word in response

            Congero says: What was there to disagree with in jj's post? Many posters here have said the same thing voicing there frustrations about this administration.

            Congero, Pete...seriously?

            Do you both think I just arrived here yesterday? How many times has jjamele posted something about Obama that was honest but put the President in a negative light & then gotten pounded on here by folks who can't stand this President being criticized or blamed for anything? And outside of always the same handful of posters I have seen very little venting of frustration about this administration. No, it's always someone else's fault.

            Whatever guys. Offer up your revisionist history, but don't expect me not to remember what really took place.

            Have a nice weekend.
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            • Author by notsure5 (June 21, 2012 5:56 pm ET)
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              What I've noticed is that when there is stuff that is actually true yet negative about Obama, there is typically a lot of agreement. Stuff that is "honest" isn't necessarily true, and is usually opinion.
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          • Author by Bronwyn (June 21, 2012 3:49 pm ET)
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            I agree, and if or when President Obama does step up to the plate and makes changes, he gets criticized for doing so in an election year.
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      • Author by Mel897 (June 21, 2012 9:48 am ET)
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        Easy to see in hindsight... this congress has been the most disfunctional in my lifetime. I suspect he won't make the same mistake in his second mandate.
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (June 21, 2012 9:54 am ET)
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          He started making that mistake in January, 2009 and he's shown no evidence of changing his "governing" style. Now his only chance for a second term is to convince the American people that his opponents- the ones he's been trying to work with for four years- are too dangerous to be handed all the power. The same people he will go right back to trying to work with if he DOES get that second term.

          Yes, that you'll be beaten up by the same person who has beaten you up eight times in the past is "easy to see in hindsight." Know what? It's easy to see in foresight, too, if you just try.
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          • Author by Quicksilver M.S (June 21, 2012 10:14 am ET)
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            " Now his only chance for a second term is to convince the American people that his opponents- the ones he's been trying to work with for four years- are too dangerous to be handed all the power."

            jamele2880, I ask you , WHY ? Do you not think that this was his ( Obama) Plan all alone .
            First try to get Bipartisanship , if that failed , as it did . Then he ( Obama ) could come out Fighting , Shining a Light on Republican Tactics to Stall Americas recovery .

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            • Author by jjamele2880 (June 21, 2012 10:20 am ET)
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              I don't doubt that was the plan all along. My problem with it was that Americans needed decent health care reform, jobs, etc- and when it was clear that the GOP had no interest in cooperating, the president did not change course, but instead just kept plowing ahead, secure in the fact that he could blame the other side when it all went down.

              Good for his re-election plans. Bad for Americans who needed real health care reform and jobs.

              We are speaking two different languages. My bottom line is "did the middle class and the poor get what they needed?" Yours is clearly "did the President put himself in a good position to win re-election?" Yours is much, much more popular here than mine, I get that. But it doesn't change my position.

              I don't give a flying damn about the Democrats or Obama's prospects in November if "victory" doesn't result in a better deal for the 99%. Get it?
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              • Author by Quicksilver M.S (June 21, 2012 10:45 am ET)
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                jjamele2880 , you continue to hang on to your hard core view that the President has NOT done enough. He did not do enough for the Poor and Middle Class .

                jjamele2880 , What would you have done ?
                jjamele2880 , What would have done if you found yourself wakening in a burning Building and gasoline being thrown on the fire . You are inside of the building with a Bucket of water . The Fire Department,GOP Congress, the Gasoline throwers were elected to Save the building , instead they are trying to Stop you from putting out the Fire .
                jjamele2880 , What would you have done ?

                jjamele2880 , I am one of those POOR, you Speak of !
                jjamele2880 , I am one of those Middle class !
                jjamele2880 , I still Believe President Obama has my best Interest as his Top Mission ! The President just needs help putting out the Fire !
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                • Author by ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© (June 21, 2012 2:02 pm ET)
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                  Quicksilver, while you and I agree on many things (including music), I'm going to have to take jjamele's side on this one.

                  Exhibit A, in the case against President Obama being on our side.

                  SOCIAL SECURITY:

                  1) The President appointed Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles, two foes of Social Security, as co-chairs of his "Cat Food Commission" in early 2010. Republicans did not make him do this. Blue Dogs did not make him do this.

                  2) Here's John Conyers:

                  "We've got to educate the American people at the same time we educate the President of the United States. The Republicans, Speaker Boehner or Majority Leader Cantor did not call for Social Security cuts in the budget deal. The President of the United States called for that..."

                  Social Security is the most successful and popular government program ever. A Democratic President who is on our side would not be trying to cut it. There is no economic reason for cutting Social Security. Our plutocrats want it cut to pay for their wars, their tax cuts, their deregulation, and their bailouts.
                  ~
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    • Author by foole (June 21, 2012 9:16 am ET)
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      This is a similar "rational" to one Rusty Limbaugh was using a while back about global warming. Rusty was saying global warming did not exist precisely because everyone said it existed. This conspiracy theory says you know Obama is going to ban guns because Obama hasn't tried to ban guns. These type of theories dominate the right-wing..."mentality". These ridiculous theories scare the hell out of the right-wing herd. It scares the hell out of me that these theories scare the hell out of the right-wing herd! You would think after the many, many, many times the troglodyte leaders have been wrong about these theories, that their followers would begin to wipe the drool from their chins and say, "Hey, wait a minute...". The fact that they don't is a continual source of amazement to me. Of course, there are still people who follow that screwball minister who has predicted the end of the world twice within the past year. It's true what has been said: People are not only more stupid than you believe, many are more stupid than you could ever believe.
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      • Author by Mel897 (June 21, 2012 9:44 am ET)
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        You do realize that half the people in the USA are of below-average intelligence, right?
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        • Author by foole (June 21, 2012 10:20 am ET)
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          It is one of my failings, perhaps, that I continue to be amazed by the fact that the stupidity of at least half of the country is a hole with no bottom. I keep figuring something will be too stupid for at least some of them. Then I see polls that show Obama and Romney running neck and neck and I realize I may be wrong. As cynical as I have become, I suppose I still haven't hit rock bottom myself.
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          • Author by Unreality (June 21, 2012 1:13 pm ET)
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            Studipity (sic) is one of those things that literally seems to expand without any other inputs required in conflict with all we know of physics.
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    • Author by magnolialover (June 21, 2012 9:40 am ET)
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      I saw this dude in CNN this morning and he was going on and on about how Obama is trying to usurp our second amendment rights with Fast and Furious, he didn't say how of course, but just kept repeating that.

      The reality of course tells us what has really happened. Gun rights under Obama have only expanded. Period. He has made no moves to put in gun control measures anywhere or at any time. To say otherwise is to be ridiculed for being completely ignorant of the facts.

      I found it interesting that now Lapierre is calling for a special prosecutor to investigate this. Why? He thinks apparently Holder and Obama broke the law.

      When asked why he wasn't mad when POTUS Bush started this whole thing, he essentially said Bush wasn't coming after our guns. What a moron this man is.
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      • Author by thaneb (June 21, 2012 10:19 am ET)
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        Much of this paranoia seems born of the telling of a "recollection" of Sarah Brady:

        During the meeting [about a ban on large capacity magazines[, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, "to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda," she said.
        "I just want you to know that we are working on it," Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."
        (emphasis added)
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    • Author by draftedin68 (June 21, 2012 12:55 pm ET)
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      If a DVD of the first part of Rachel's program were mailed to members of Congress, d'ya think that maybe, just maybe, some of them might pull their heads outta their asses?

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      • Author by pete592 (June 21, 2012 1:16 pm ET)
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        Not unless you include a big fat wad of cash with every DVD.
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    • Author by vicki487101 (June 21, 2012 4:04 pm ET)
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      The Congressional hearing around the issue of Fast and Furious is such the political witch hunt. This morning on Morning Joe and again of Chuck Todd on which Luke Russert was sitting in for Chuck there was no countering the guests, Kevin McCarthy the Whip, or one of the usual guests on Morning Joe, that Massachusetts "reporter", on the true nature of the Congressional inquest. Luke never countered McCarthy's charge that Holder and the DOG have not handed over the documents that Issa, that grand Tokemato, asked for. Luke needed to state that Holder did hand over documents, some 700 pages, but what the issue is actually over the letter that DOJ sent stating at first that Fast and Furious never existed and that HOlder sent another letter stating that that was in error. Also Luke did not say to McCarthy that The DOJ wants to seek an answer to the death of the agent who was killed. On Morning Joe you have Joe and Mike Barnicle skirting the real issue. They need to hear from Media Matters
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    • Author by hoopvillain (June 22, 2012 8:54 pm ET)
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      Rachel Maddow is my hero!
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