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Media Matters Founder David Brock: Right-Wing Media Helps Make Anti-LGBT Agenda Welcome In Republican Party

May 03, 2012 8:38 pm ET

From the May 3 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:

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    • Author by Dem02020 (May 03, 2012 9:30 pm ET)
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      I'm pretty sure that the anti-LGBT agenda of the Republican Party is meant mostly to bait certain Democrats (and 'paint' them too) into advocating the pro-LGBT agenda... while millions of Americans variously shake their heads in wonder and frustration and even annoyance, waiting for actual national policy issues of importance to them to be discussed, which mostly doesn't happen.

      The same is true of torture (and torture memos!), it's just emotionally charged stuff meant to blot out any real talk of policy issues that concern most of us, and all too often are brought up at very precise and strategic times.

      And of course that other issue too, the intensely personal issue involving an intensely private surgical procedure that only women in the most distressing of circumstances elect to have... and one that Republicans just love to bait certain Democrats into publicly advocating.

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      • Author by PBVV (May 04, 2012 4:13 am ET)
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        Well Dem02020, I can agree that there are millions of Americans variously shaking their heads in wonder and frustration and yes, even annoyance, waiting for national issues that are of importance to them, to be discussed.
        However I cannot completely agree with you that the anti-Gay agenda of the Republican Party is meant mostly to bait certain Dems into advocating the Pro-LGBT agenda.

        Yes, some Republicans do and will do it for that reason, but sadly, I know that most of the R-Wing base which is Anti-LGBT will fight the entire LGBT and Pro-LGBT population with every fiber of their being and in every way available to them, to defeat any Pro-LGBT legislation, National policy and any Right Wing politician who dares to be Pro-LGBT.
        Not only will they vigorously fight against anyone and anything LGBT and/or Pro-LGBT, they fight tirelessly to legislate Anti-LGBT laws and reinstate Anti-LGBT policies everywhere they can.
        They want LGBT's back in hiding in the closet and out of their eyesight. Period.
        If the truth could be told by them, many even prefer the Old Testament Biblical Solution to the LGBT Question.

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        • Author by joeybagofdonuts (May 04, 2012 8:13 am ET)
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          If the truth could be told by them, many even prefer the Old Testament Biblical Solution to the LGBT Question.

          You are actually spot on with this. A group called the Family, who has deep pockets in Washington to "Christian" candidates like John Ensign and Bart Stupak, backed a bill in Uganda that made homosexuality a criminal offense and made execution possible for "repeat offenders." This is what the right-wing Christians want, a dogmatic, Draconian enforcement of moral code, even to those who don't believe it. It's why us who believe and treasure a secularist society (and leave religion to Churches, synagogues, mosques, and charities) need to fight this absurd notion of the "Christian Nation."
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        • Author by fo3angels (May 04, 2012 10:15 am ET)
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          What is most sad, to me, is that the only actual references to homosexuality in the Bible, Old Testament, have been completely misconstrued or ignored. Ignored, such as the fact that there were things called temple prostitutes, of both genders, for the purposes of ritual sex. When you consider that women at the time were not permitted to engage in that with the temple prostitutes, for whom then were the male temple prostitutes?
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      • Author by pacifist (May 04, 2012 6:58 am ET)
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        I agree with you somewhat but you should also remember that issues dealing with the LGBT community are red meat to the conservative Republican base. Romney really isn't viewed as a true conservative by many in his base so he is pandering to their homophobia in order to get their votes. Is this an act of cowardice? Yes. Is it that surprising? Unfortunately, for Romney, given his track record, no it is not.
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        • Author by nerzog (May 04, 2012 8:05 am ET)
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          Pandering is the key word there. It's really just an extension of the Southern Strategy. Republicans learned decades ago that Southern Evangelical Bigots are easy to lead around by the nose. All you have to do is hit their hot buttons, and they'll stampede the voting booths to fend off those Demon Libruls.

          Critical thinking is not their friend.
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    • Author by joeybagofdonuts (May 04, 2012 8:05 am ET)
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      I would say more a myopic and misguided reading of the Old Testament has made an anti-LGBT Agenda welcome in the Republican Party. Claiming gay people are committing an "abomination" to God by having gay sex is like claiming all black people are cursed with the "sin of Ham" (ie: Africans are descendents of Ham, who was the first enslaved person). This argument was actually used by Southern pastors during the Civil War to justify slavery. I believe that unless the church realizes the sexual mores of the 21st Century are changing, and get with the times, they will be as obsolete and laughably useless as Egyptian burial rites. Jesus didn't really care too much about sex, but he had a lot to say about how we treat others, especially the poor. I hope most "Christians" open their eyes before they realize their pews are empty.
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      • Author by nerzog (May 04, 2012 8:10 am ET)
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        I think you'll find that most of the Bigotry and Sexism embraced by Conservative Christians does not come from the alleged words of Jesus, but from the writings of Paul, and various obscure passages in the Old Testament.

        Since the Republicans seem all too willing to wrap themselves in religion, I wonder if they'll ask Romneybot about the racist doctrines found in the Book of Mormon? I kind of doubt it.
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        • Author by joeybagofdonuts (May 04, 2012 8:34 am ET)
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          nerzog, I agree that the majority of Christian history has been about putting words in Jesus's mouth. Paul definitely had some crazy things to say about sex, but that was for everyone, gay and straight. Paul envisioned a sexless community of believers, since he believed Jesus was returning in his lifetime, and Augustine took those ideas and ran with it. So our concept of sinful sex has more of a Pauline/Augustine origin than a Christian one.

          One of my favorite statistics is that, though most fundamentalist Christians believe the Bible is inerrant, very few actually study it. They still get their notions of spirituality from what pastors, teachers, and politicians have told them. I think if more people actually read the Bible with an open mind, they'd see that the notion of sex being the worse sin is highly flawed. Greed and selfishness get far more vitriol in the Gospels and the letters of Paul, and compassion and forgiveness are really central to the doctrine. If my belief is true, I know Atheists who are better Christians than actual Christians. And those moron Goldman-Sachs execs who say they are "doing God's work" are the ones who really deserve to burn.

          As far as the Book of Mormon goes, that's not an area of familiarity with me (though I am familiar with passages about the lost tribes of Israel in America, God having crazy God-sex on his God-planet, and the really poor way black people are portrayed). I don't doubt Romney's conviction to faith, but at the same time, I think it would be suicidal for Romney to do a bullet-point type apologetic on his faith and expect people (especially the fundamentalists in his own part who openly call him a member of a cult) to come away more enlightened and tolerant of Mormonism.
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          • Author by nerzog (May 04, 2012 9:16 am ET)
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            Oh, I agree. Romneybot should avoid the topic of religion, altogether. Most Americans have no idea how loopy the Mormon Religion really is, and it's better for him if they don't find out.

            The Evangelical Nutbags think Mormonism is just a big cult, as you say, but their inherent racism and brainwashed hatred toward Obama will overcome their fear of odd religions. Besides, they think the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon, but they didn't hesitate to embrace the Reactionary Catholic Bishops in the recent fight over contraceptives.
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    • Author by Egbert Sousť (May 04, 2012 8:25 am ET)
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      There are many examples. But here's a classic, a two-fer no less,
      Wash. Times 07-15-2010
      Obama's homosexual-Muslim conflict
      The Kool-Ade as consumed, Virginia is for lovers
      :Va. lawmaker claims pat-downs part of 'homosexual agenda'
      WTOP.com 12/01/2010
      Solution: zombies.
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    • Author by oneshy (May 04, 2012 3:15 pm ET)
         
      I sure would like to weigh in on these discussions, but I gave up on posting things here about a year ago, after weeks of comments were never posted.
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    • Author by watershed (May 05, 2012 9:27 am ET)
         
      That Nixon is China analogy is the sharpest thing I've ever heard come out of Chris Matthews mouth. He is spot on there.
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