British MP Tom Watson To Glenn Beck: "You Are A Bigot"
Watson: Glenn Beck "Has Been Broadcasting Anti-Semetic Messages For A Number Of Months"
From the January 20, 2011, UK Parliament transcript:
Mr Tom Watson (West Bromwich East) (Lab): It is a pleasure to serve under you, Ms Clark, and I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Bassetlaw (John Mann)-a long-time friend-on securing the debate. Many positive and interesting contributions have been made this afternoon, many of which I could not possibly emulate. The depth of wisdom and experience in the Chamber is so great that I found myself wondering why I was here. Then, when we heard the speech of our colleague and friend, the hon. Member for Ilford North (Mr Scott), I realised why. He spoke very movingly and, to provide some solidarity, nobody should go through what he and his family went through during the general election.
I shall concentrate on the section on the media in the report produced a few years ago by the all-party parliamentary group against anti-Semitism, chaired by my hon. Friend the Member for Bassetlaw. The group's inquiry called on the media to have discussions on the impact of language and imagery in the current discourse on Judaism, anti-Zionism and Israel, and-while striking a balance on the independence of the media-to recognise that the way in which the news is reported has significant consequences on interaction between communities in Britain. Ministers in the previous Administration held a departmental conference on the issue. Many ideas were discussed, and the challenges and problems were recognised. I reiterate my hon. Friend's support for an early conference, and I know that the Minister will try to follow that up if possible.
I want to talk about specific examples of anti-Semitism in the media, particularly an ongoing problem with Fox News, which is also broadcast in the United Kingdom. I shall focus in particular on the show hosted by Glenn Beck, who has been broadcasting anti-Semitic messages for a number of months. Fox News is bound by all of Ofcom's broadcasting code, including the section entitled, "Due Impartiality and Due Accuracy and Undue Prominence of Views and Opinions". It has to have an EU licence to broadcast in the UK, and therefore has to adhere to the broadcasting code. However, I believe that the kind of content that I shall highlight would certainly not fall within the code's remit.
I have been made aware of recent comments by Glenn Beck on his show that should be of great concern to all of us who want to stand shoulder to shoulder with colleagues such as the hon. Member for Ilford North. Although the comments were broadcast primarily in the US, it cannot and must not be forgotten that the show is also aired daily, live on Sky TV, in the UK. Glenn Beck singled out Simon Greer, the chief executive officer and president of an organisation in the US called Jewish Funds for Justice, who made comments about "advancing the common good". Glenn Beck responded by saying that such comments
"are what led to the death camps in Germany",
and that Simon Greer,
"as a Jew, should know better."
Fox executives, including Fox News president, Roger Ailes, and the producer of Glenn Beck's television show, Joel Cheatwood, assured Jewish Funds for Justice and other community representatives that they understood their concerns, that
"ultimate sensitivity must be exercised when referencing the Holocaust",
and that they would explain them to Beck. The organisation subsequently received a handwritten note from Beck to that effect.
After the note was sent, in November 2010, Glenn Beck broadcast a three-part programme on prominent Jewish philanthropist and holocaust survivor George Soros. The programme invoked disturbing language that bore a stark resemblance to the imagery and language used by extreme right-wing groups to demonise the Jewish community in the lead-up to world war two. Glenn Beck referred to George Soros as the "puppet master" and attacked him for having escaped the holocaust and for his pro-democracy work, which he compared to Nazism.
Beck has a highly polemical style that frequently employs rhetoric drawing on the holocaust. Most shockingly, he accused Soros of having been
"a Jewish boy helping send the Jews to the death camps."
That provoked enormous offence to the Jewish community in the United States. Thus far, Fox News has defended that Glenn Beck special. News Corporation has been silent on the matter. These are not isolated incidents of intolerance from Beck. Indeed, in response to some of this stuff, Jewish Funds for Justice compiled the 10 most shocking statements made by Beck in his show during 2010. The organisation recently undertook an action at News Corp's offices and presented a petition signed by more than 10,000 people that called on Rupert Murdoch to remove Glenn Beck from the Fox News station because of his comments.
I shall quote from the top 10 comments, which are not all anti-Semitic; they also attack other groups and individuals.
No. 1:"God will wash this nation with blood if he has to."
No. 2: putting
"the common good first...leads to death camps."
"Women are psychos." That was No. 3. Beck's election coverage goal was to make George Soros cry, which Beck said was "hard to do," as Soros
"saw people into gas chambers."
That was no. 4.
No. 5: Uncle Sam is a "child molester" who is "raping our wallets" and "destroying our families." No. 6: Beck mocks President Obama's daughters for "their level of education." Beck said that
"we have been sold a lie"
that "the poor in America" are suffering. That was No. 7.
No. 8:
"Charles Darwin is the father of the holocaust."
No. 9: social justice is a
"perversion of the Gospel...not what Jesus was saying."
Beck likened himself to Israeli Nazi hunters, when he said:
"To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter."
That was No. 10.
I think that most colleagues would agree that those comments are highly alarming and absolutely inappropriate for broadcast on any show, let alone one that positions itself as a news show. Such comments would not fall within the parameters of the Ofcom code to ensure:
"Due Impartiality and Due Accuracy and Undue Prominence of Views and Opinions".
In addition, the Dana Milbank column in The Washington Post reported in October 2010 that in Beck's
"first 18 months on Fox News, from early 2009 through the middle of this year," --
that is last year --
"he and his guests invoked Hitler 147 times. Nazis, an additional 202 times. Fascism or fascists, 193 times. The Holocaust got 76 mentions, and Joseph Goebbels got 24."
I hope we all agree that that is a disturbing number of instances to raise those terms, in a way that is both irresponsible and does not provide any educational or beneficial basis for doing so; for instance, labelling President Obama a "Nazi." The Holocaust Educational Trust has said:
"One of the best ways to combat anti-semitism and prejudice of all kinds is to encourage tolerance and respect twinned with advocacy of engagement with civil society and the democratic process."
The Glenn Beck show in no way achieves those vitally important aims. That type of journalism is dangerous and can have wide-ranging negative effects on society. The kind of material broadcast by Glenn Beck is not unique; a number of other "shock jocks" operate in the States. However, none has displayed intolerance on such a frequent and irresponsible scale as Glenn Beck. It is vital that that kind of "news" is not made or broadcast in the UK. However, the proposed acquisition of BSkyB by News Corp means that there is an increased threat of its becoming a reality.
Although the Ofcom code exists to prevent that kind of anti-Semitic language from being broadcast as news, there is still the danger of "foxification" in the UK. Professor Steven Barnett of the university of Westminster has recently argued that the laws that oversee broadcasting in the UK would prevent a recreation of Fox News. However, it is possible that there could be a shift in the centre of gravity, and that the situation in the UK will change.
Robert Halfon: Although I have not seen the Glenn Beck show, I have seen other parts of Fox News, which tend to be much fairer on extreme Islamism and on Israel than other news outlets. Would the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that, whatever Glenn Beck may or may not do, Fox News-and, indeed, the Murdoch newspapers-has a good record on this?
Mr Watson: People tell me that Fox News is positive about Israel but negative about Jews. It is possible for Glenn Beck to represent that negative angle of Fox News. The reason why I am so concerned is that Rupert Murdoch has claimed that Sky News would be much more popular if it were more like Fox News. I do not want that to become a reality in the United Kingdom.
The issue has been picked up in the UK media recently. There have been articles on the subject by Deborah Lipstadt for The Jewish Chronicle and by Ian Burrell in The Independent. Lipstadt states:
"At the same time, Roger Ailes was interviewed by Tina Brown's Daily Beast about NPR's decision to fire one of its commentators, who also appears on Fox News. The commentator had said that, upon boarding a plane and seeing someone dressed in Muslim garb, he gets nervous. A silly comment but one that did not seem to warrant dismissal. Speaking of NPR officials, Ailes said: 'They are, of course, Nazis. They have a kind of Nazi attitude. They are the left wing of Nazism. These guys don't want any other point of view.'"
When a barrage of criticism rained down upon him, he apologised not to the people he called Nazis, but to Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League.
The Independent article quoted Andrew Neil, who said:
"My own view is [Fox] is out of control".
Neil told Richard Bacon on BBC Radio 5 Live recently:
"I think Rupert Murdoch has lost control of it. I know from sources he's not happy with a lot that appears on it and I think he's lost over the Glenn Becks and the O'Reillys".
In October 2009, Waitrose became one of a number of UK firms to pull all advertising on Fox News in response to comments made about President Obama. It was reported just last week that the broadcast of Glenn Beck's show in the UK has run without any commercials for nearly 11 months in response to his incendiary comments. Such great concern has been caused by Beck that there is an ongoing campaign both in the UK and the US to stop Glenn Beck and deter companies from advertising during his show. I am pleased and extremely encouraged that companies in the UK feel strongly enough about the issue to withhold advertising. It demonstrates that the anti-Semitic and generally divisive, incendiary and prejudicial language that has been broadcast in the UK will not be tolerated in this country. However, it is important that these issues continue to be raised and that TV executives are challenged on such matters.
If Glenn Beck were here today I would say to him: "Glenn Beck, you are a bigot. You bring shame to your country, not because you lack balance, but because you are an unthinking buffoon. Rupert Murdoch tolerates you because you are his useful idiot. He uses you to get a foothold in the doors of the powerful. Like his phone-hacking journalists and his pugnacious leader-writers in Australia, you are expendable. Let us hope he disposes of your nasty brand of intolerance sooner rather than later."
It is Rupert and James Murdoch who should answer for bigots such as Glenn Beck and phone hackers such as Clive Goodman and Glen Mulcaire. They employ them. They promote them. They are responsible for them. It is time for thinking citizens in the United Kingdom, the United States and Australia to unite against the Murdochs' vicious brand of politics that masquerades as publishing.








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Embassy Suites OFF my list in the future!
Well now Embassy is moved higher on my list.
You just moved higher on one of my lists too, akmikeus. I won't go into detail, but it has to do with the hind ends of horses.
So, you tend to choose hotels based on the fact that they do not respond to guest inquiries. Curious.
Well no, I guess-- I like to choose businesses that ignore me too. Right.
And once again an Elitist rears it's ugly head.
The gall of an establishment for not meeting your demands.
You did inform them of who you were didnt you?
I would think you would choose the sci-fi channel first, but what the heck, Nickelodeon sounds about you actual speed.
Now, ackmuckus -- why do you disparage 'lil dick Cheney like that?
Why do they make it sound like such a bad thing??
new slogan:
"Want results? Go Elite"
It's also on in train stations, shops of all kinds, and places to eat. If you go somewhere during the day, and it's not a library, you're probably going to be hit with this stuff at some point.
Nothing to do with the show being Beck's or UK Got Talent or any other British TV show.
Nice try.
I am British and I can tell you we get plenty of 'adverts' on commercial television, especially on satellite TV like SKY. The BBC channels have no commercials because we pay an enforced TV licence yearly. The rest of the channels are jam packed with them.
For a show on SKY to run commercial free *IS* a big deal and I have little doubt it has everything to do with no British advertisers wanting to be associated with his hate filled garbage.
Very few?
Then, why are there WHOLE WEBSITES devoted to favorite adverts?
Television advertising in Britain differs from that in the US primarily in terms of CONTENT, not frequency.
Nice try {not really}.
Actually, that's bollocks, I am British and what that person meant was there are many more adverts which occur more often on US tv. BBC runs no adverts as it is license funded, Satellite (there is no cable to speak of) is commercial and does run adds. When I moved here to the US (I am a dual national now) I could not believe there were adds about every 5 minutes, I was particularly amazed when the show ran the opening credits then immediately went back to commercials. THat still annoys me.
So yes, so no adverts AT ALL during Beck is a big deal and DOES show that none of the advertisers want to associated with that bigot. Nice try my arse!
Like his hero, Beck.
ZERO.
Showing less "adverts" than we do in the US is true (I've been to the UK on many occasions) but they still show them. Glenn Beck's advertising breaks have NO ads. Nothing. Not a one.
Nice try... Liar.
You are clearly an idiot.
so that's what you meant to say when you posted this?
No, what's a "nice try" is you trying to make a point!
Anyway, tell us again about wind chill! Idiot.
Obviously, this dude hasn't seen many "other parts of Fox News."
That's including two minutes of "adverts"... ;>)
Quote for me from MMFA stated goals showing this story is relevant to their cause?
MMFA posted the transcript and video of a report on Glenn Beck's use of anti-Semitism, racism, misinformation, lies and violent imagery.
As I said, jake5, it was completely relevant.
This is not a new story and it doesn't meet MMFA criteria. Basically, it is a repeat of old news. Only a British guy said it this time....so what?
So bintx it is not completely relevant. :)
Bold is for emphasis silly boy!
And you still havne't articulated a valid response.
bintx cares what I think!
And you do too because you responded to what I said/think. Thank you for caring.
By the way you said "nobody here cares what you think".
Why do you keep responding to my posts?
Are you a fan of Glenn Beck, jake5?
People that post that line are usually wrong most of the time.
All of what Glenn Lee beck has to say is OLD NEWS. Yet , each and every day Mr. beck makes old news NEW NEWS again !
jake5:
Here is your trophy ... thank you for playing
This means Beck's writers/owners are branching out to the large UK skinhead population? I am sure there are people in the UK and Europe that would be concerned about this.
Maybe you should check out "Remains of the Day"
That doesn't make any sense but thanks for the trophy!
So you aknowledge that Beck's anti-semetism is "old news"?
Guy in UK repeats some things Beck had said in the past and has already been reported in the news.
Therefore it is basically a repeat of old news.
Somehow that equates to me acknowledging Beck is anti-semetic?
Your sillier than bintx
You wan to focus on the fact that a British MP is speaking... But the subject is Glenn Beck and Fox News... Again, AMERICANS.
Stop being obtuse. You are the kind of hate filled idiot that they are worried about appearing in the UK.
Don't you understand? A real American doesn't care what any foriegner says.
<jake5's intern>
I'm sure you do, so I wonder what compelled you to make such an obtuse comment.
And you didn't answer my question.
Hold your breath until I tell you stop. The answer to your questio will come to you soon enough.
Hugs n kisses,
Your Daddy
Or I DID, like bintx said. How sad for you.
A guy in the UK repeats some things that Beck has said, says he doesn't like it, and MMFA picks it up and reports it. I don't see how this story meets their goal?
You do realize that Glenn Beck broadcasts in America, right? And that makes his broadcasts, whether aired here, Australia, Mozambique, or Paraguay part of the U.S. media, right?
Did you read the article? They (MMFA) are not reporting or repeating a broadcast of Glenn Beck or breaking news about Beck from the UK. They are simply relaying what someone in the UK thinks about Beck.
Now answer my question?
We did.
Where is the documenting of conservative misinformation in this story?
Not sure who you're talking to but, I'm a middle-aged woman who despises Kool-aid. Just a package of chemicals and sugar.
You lost, jake5, and your continued temper tantrums are just making you look kind of silly.
Thanks for the laughs, though. You never let us down!
You usually come up with some pretty good arguments and valid points. You didn't this time.
Drink up, SILLY BOY! :)
:)
I think I am beginning to like you more than I like that stalker, bintx. You make me smile.
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Fix it for you.
The preceding transcript is as clear and well-spoken an indictment of Beck's inflamatory anti-Semitic language as any I have seen. Kudos to Media Matters to disseminating it.
I wonder if these two aren't the same person, if one saw that discussion yesterday and thought it was a brilliant tactic (it's not), or if there really is some email chain that hands out discussion tactics each day for people who can't think for themselves.
You should not be so harsh on yourself all your eyes.
"A guy in the UK repeats some things that the President/Vice President/or any Liberal has said, says he doesn't like it, and Fox News and Rush Limbaugh picks it up and reports it, as hard core Fact . I see nothing wrong "
There, I even used part of MMFA's mission statement in my answer.
But I gotta say, you guys are really pulling out weak arguments if you have to quote MMFA's entire mission statement, then parse it and ask for specific details as a means of discrediting or questioning what they're doing.
You can't defend Glenn Beck's words, so instead you attack the person holding the mirror.
Words between the curly brackets are commentary, bold for emphasis.
I assume you'll come back and say "But you didn't answer my question." It seems to be your answer to any post made in opposition of your own posts. However, to be sure that you know I am intending to give you an answer to your posed question:
Response from NoTrueScotsman:
As part of monitoring a U.S. media personality who contributes the greater body of misinformation through the broadcast medium, Media Matters for America has disseminated the information in this video/transciption as a resource for rebutting false claims and taking direct actions agains the offending media institution. For this information in complete context, please see the beginning of this post.
Thank you,
NoTrueScotsman
Where do you find the strength to answer him in such a logical, level headed matter when you know he will respond with all the wit a third grader can muster?
You want to know why MMA is talking about some Brit raling on the lies of Glenn Beck?
I'll just cut and paste from your post, then. Thanks
Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media.
seems to me they are reporting on someone reporting/ pointing out Beck's lies. I guess if you want to try and play semantics, you can, but that is pretty much a disclaimer screaming: "I have nothing to say that can prove MMA is wrong about Beck."
Have a good one.
Guy in UK says he doesn't like Beck or Fox News.
MMFA repeats words of guy in UK.
And according to Mr. Katanga that means that MMFA has done their job by fulfilling the goal of: "Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media".
Wait a minute! No, it doesn't meet that criteria. Try again Katanga
Did you see that this person had researched Beck's comments (and had listed 10) about the subject about which he was reporting his analysis?
You lose. Don't be angry.
"research and analytic reports'
Not much research here on MMFA's part and no analysis so they failed their also.
So if you are measuring winning or losing then you lose! :)
A hint: try a class in reading comprehension. I'm sure that your high school has remedial English classes.
Later, jake5. Do your homework.
O'Riley claims G_D exists becasue the tide goes in and the tide goes out. The reality is Astro Physics explains why it happens. He claimed nothing else could explain the tides.
O'Riley claimed Mao and Nixon never met. Strange their are several pictures of the two leaders seated together.
O'Riley claimed Fox news never said death panels were real or mentioned on Fox. 34 specific mentions of death panels in 2 weeks.
Fox claims it enver used nazis imagery...Sigh Watch Beck and you will constantly see nazis imagery.
All of Fox reported the Presidential trip to India cost $200 million/per day. Beck went as far as to claim the US navy moved 34 warships off the coast of India. Both claims are false. I actually found the average figures for presidential trips in minutes i.e. $3 million to $5 million a day. And the navy claim took one phone call to prove it false.
So if you are talking about research and real journalism the loser is Fox and its viewers.
I'm sure ALL employees of MMFA greatest fear is what happens to us if FOX shuts down.
They hammer Fox everyday, but at the end of the day, Fox provides for their everyday needs correct?
Lord, are you jakey's best buddie?
EARTH TO ACKMUCKUS:
Contrary to popular opinion, FOX is not the only media outlet in existence. Should FOX shut down {wishful thinking}, I'm certain MMfA will expose misinformation on CNN, ABC, CBS, and other members of the "librul media" {as it has done in the past} . . .
You don't have to answer that.
MSNBC: the wingnut Pavlovian response to "media misinformation."
Some other wingnut Pavlovian responses:
- CLINTON
- JEREMIAH WRIGHT
- SOCIALIST
Ummmm... Nothing changes.
This thread is NOT about MMfA's mission statement. It's about your hero's lies and hate filled rhetoric.
Enough strawmen from you two fools.
akmikeus,
MMFA's purpose is to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast {the medium, selected from a list}, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation. faux is not the only conservative organization involved in systematic misinformation. There is Rush "I flunked out of college" Limbaugh, Andrew "the slanderer" Breitbart or Michael "my name is Weiner" Savage or Mark "the hater" Levin. There is plenty of conservative misinformation out there other than faux; faux is just the biggest and most visible.
Again, try standing when you read and write, it will take the pressure off your brain.
Fox News is AMERICAN news, idiot.
Nobody forced you to click here. Go play with your dolls, and try to pull your panties out of your ass.
This one happens to be, in case you missed it, BRITISH PARLIAMENT denouncing Glenn Beck. What MMFA probably should have done is point out that no US news sources have reported on this, but again, why do you care?
Think of it as two case studies using the same subject matter, Glen Beck, and changing the back ground, US vs UK. We don't live in a vacuum and this gives us an opportunity to step back and have a new look.
Great report mmfa.
It is difficult for you to think when you are sitting, isnt it? Too much pressure on your brain?
Prepare for the martyr rhetoric to be ramped up.
Of course, this will start with Glenn Beck going after Parliament.
True, Glenn Beck isn't what we'd call a "smart" bomb.
As in: England, fix yourself! You have a monarchy! You can't make a decent cup of coffee! And your teeth!!!!!!!
Limbaugh will never come to Beck's defense. He and Hannity will be delighted by this.
BTW, I totally agree and we all see it coming.
Beck: "Now even the radical PROGRESSIVES in the British Parliment are trying to silence me and ALL American conservatives in the process. Silence me... Silence me... Silence me (sarcastic tone and laugh). They will NEVER silence me because I speak for freedom and the TRUTH!!! The TRUTH is like a cancer to these (fill in your choice of Marxist, Nazi, Fascist, Leninist, or some form of Mao)! Silence me... (sacastic tone and laugh)!
Cut to commercial.
It's hard to improve upon this.
But do I think they should ban Fox News from the air? I don't... I just don't, I can't in good conscience say "Yes, ban that guy, I hate him!" Because it's the hardest thing to put up with speech you disagree with or that is flat out wrong.
Some of those lines, like the "Women are psychos" were obviously jokes, that's not fair to attribute that to him; many people have said that... Ugh, I almost puked defending him...
The rest of those, actually are pretty accurate though. But I still can't say "BAN HIM!" I can never say that; it just feels wrong, it's against what I believe. And I almost feel bad for that but to allow someone you cannot stand, who lies, cheats and is a racist, anti-science and all that; to still speak is what freedom of speech is, sadly sometimes, about.
They do have stricter codes there, absolutely and I think Glenn Beck deserves to be called out on the nonsense he spews as do his bosses.
This is also going to result in a storm of mockery from the Conservatives we haven't seen in a long, long time and I think it's going to wear on me a bit when it gets started.
Ugh, I can almost imagine Pat faking a British accent now and talking about how they are all socialists and hate America and freedom... God help us all.
It's not an easy question, because I do think it's a Pandora's Box, but we existed quite successfully for decades under the Fairness Doctrine. I don't think we're going to find a Republican who is going to argue that the first years of the Reagan administration in which the Fairness Doctrine was still in effect were horrible years in our nation where the Reagan Administration dismantled freedom and liberty and quashed the first amendment.
I don't want Glenn Beck silenced (well, I'd like it if he went away, but due to disinterest) but I would like to see him compelled to have to face his accusers in a neutral setting.
You are attempting to apply American laws on the British.
Not all countries have choosen the same solution on that one. One famous example is Germany where for obvious historical reasons the sensitivity for hate speech is higher and restricted to protect the democracy.
Honestly, for a moment there, I felt like I was in church.
There's no First Amendment in the U.K.
What's next? Pedophilia? Can we somehow paint Glenn Beck as a pedophile? How about that? Maybe that will finally get him off the air after so many failed attempts.
I mean people were blaming the Arizona shootings on Sarah Palin without any evidence, too.
Well, hell -- THE RHETORIC CAME OUT OF HER PIE-HOLE, DIDN'T IT?
Gotta love wingnuts and their "personal responsibility" . . .
cindermaker: "Nobody I know of blames Sarah Palin for anything; just her silly gun-centric rhetoric."
me: "If you're blaming her rhetoric you are blaming her. "
Do you see how your response to me makes no sense now?
Especially after hearing Ms. Giffords' own comments about Ms. Palin's cross-hairs map outlining her fears knowing she was a target because of her vote in favor of healthcare . .
Can you show us where this happened? Because, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people never ever said anything remotely close to what you think they said.
Anybody who brought up Palin's "crosshair" map was indirectly blaming her for inciting Jared Lougner. Why else bring it up without any evidence that the shooter did in fact see the map and was in fact inspired by it?
Surely you wouldn't ask me to cite evidence of people referring to the crosshair map for you to believe it?
Initially, no person and no organization was named. Instantly, the entire right wing propaganda machine got themselves in a tizzy, claiming that they had been singled out by a generic declamation of vitriolic rhetoric. This made me think that maybe they felt like they were the only ones spewing hate. As we say in my neck of the woods: "bit dog barks first".
Then someone dug up that old footage of Ms Giffords pointing out that map and how it would have consequences.
Then the right, who initially indicated that even they thought that they were the only ones spewing hate, started claiming that "both sides do it".
I didn't here anyone say the shooting was Palin's fault. Got a question for you, MagCynic:
If somebody says that the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery, is that just an opinion, or is it an inaccuracy?
Have you looked the rise in vandalism and violence agsint muslims in the US? Funny cause so many at Fox dislike muslims and Islam. They constantly
refer to alot of muslims as "Jihadists".
Have you looked a gun sales? How they rise everytime someone on Fox or the right says" Obama is coming for your guns" Let's not talk about the guy who killed some police over the issue.Let's not mention that we have 5 times the gun deaths/per capita of Canada, or 10 times that of U.K./per capita.
I also love how they claim crime is down because of gun sales. There is as much proof of that as there is that the Az shooter was influenced by the rightwing rhetoric. So you 2nd amendment addicts know, crime statistic are being manipulated. In Dallas, Tx we had a rash of break-ins, 12 in one apartment. It was labeled ONE crime because they suspect it was the same guys.this is how some crime stats get "altered" to suit political purposes.
In another instance we had 15 seperately owned cars vandalized on one street, and only one crime.
So is crime down from gun ownership or is it being manipulated so some can justify their jobs?
Funny, we think that only other countries and their citizens are affected by rhetoric.
Free speech is a responsiblity that most of America is not ready to handle. The Founding Fathers said we needed to be educated in order for our Republic to be strong.
Stop the Lords of Illusion at Fox.
There is at least two people on Earth that blame Bush for their kidney stones. What are the odds that that statement is true, too?
Who was responsible for Major Hasan shooting people at Fort Hood? Don't forget! He was a Muslim...
The phone hasn't rung once.
Nobody called him one except you, Mag.
Um, no -- there was some . . .
You are in love with a nasty man who is an embarrassment to this country.
He has proven time and again that he is racist, or has said racist things.
They stuck. Just not to folks like yourself who give him a pass on, well, almost everything.
Why not call him a pedophile? Beck calls people things just as bad as that on his show, like Francis Piven, who he said was inciting violence in the streets of America (she isn't by the way).
Only someone who is irretrievably stupid would say racist things if they weren't racist. And since Glenn Beck loves to brag that he's not even a bit stupid, I guess we know where that leaves him.
Wow. That seems very familiar for some reason.
Ever notice how, after a 20-minute screeching Beck rant about how the progressives are just like the Nazis and there's a revolution coming and you better be ready for it, he will admonish his audience against using violence?
"What's next? Pedophilia? Can we somehow paint Glenn Beck as a pedophile? How about that? Maybe that will finally get him off the air after so many failed attempts."
Glennie said something like that a number of months ago. Given his past patterns of telling people exactly what he's doing, even in the middle of a con, by claiming the other side will do it, could there be some truth to that? Is he saying it in case something comes out to expose him, a pre-emptive strike, so to speak? Do I believe he is a Pedophile? No, and I wouldn't believe it until it was proven in court. (I actually believe in the Judicial system. It isn't always right, but it works well enough most of the time.)
I'm not saying he doesn't like black people. He has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist as well as anti-semitic.
BTW, this is from the UK. They have much stricter laws on hate speech there. That's why Michael Savage has been put on the list of people who are not allowed entry into the UK. Savage screamed about his "First Amendment Rights," but he has none in the UK.
The question isnt about if Glenn Beck is an racist and anti-Semite by heart.
The point is Glenn Beck is broadcoasting racist and anti-Semite stereotypes and they serve as important pillars of his propaganda.
Personally, I doubt he has any convictions at all, we will learn if he is or not at some point. Not that important, or decisive in the big picture.
The really imporant thing is that he keeps using, exploring and repeating racial and anti-Semitic sterotypes.
Hmmm...well, Glenn has never come out and said he IS NOT one...all he needs to do is come out and prove he isn't a Pedophile....but until he does than he is sure as sheet guilty of it, the sick-o.
Come on, Glenn....all you need to do is come out and come clean
Your bad, you forgot Soros.
That pretty much covers it!
It adresses the issue at hand, and I hope the ones who have read and seen it before, dont mind. I dont intend to pull that comment out every day. Maybe I will do an update and add some points when time allows it though ....
I would also like to see a comparison between Beck and the Nazis.
Not that I think he is one, but he is certainly applying a lot of methods and techniques they have used.
One must never forget that the propaganda machine of the Nazis were the first historical example of the expertly manipulation of mass media. Way more sophisticated than in the Soviet Union though technically totalitarian regimes have regardless of their message used similar patterns in their efforts to keep their system stable.
The first precondition for an effective propaganda machine is to take away the status of political rivals as respectable competitors and turn them into enemies. They are no longer part of a fair political process who you might disagree with. They are enemies with the goal of destruction the country.
Over and over again the Nazis kept telling the Germans social, commie, Jews wanted to destroy Germany. This was a core message repeated by the Nazis from the beginnings.
Since that did not make sense at all (who would really want to destroy a country?) they fabricated the lie of an international conspiracy of Judaism. The classical expression of the the anti-Semitic stereotype of Jews controlling the world. Beck reached the well prepared peak of using one of the most transparent and well know anti-Semitic stereotypes than he <revealed< George Soros as <puppet master<. A metaphor very well known to Nazis and other antisemitic political groups throughout history.
All historical events, everyone and everybody falls under this lunatic premiss in place. Any event is being connected to a big plan of the puppet master as is every person, especially the politicians of the other site.
President Obamas is nothing more than a puppet of George Soros taking any credibility away from the President. In translation it means nothing else than a black President is fulfilling the agenda of a Jew. It can hardly get more racist than that though Beck is smart enough to occupy a figure like Dr. King who by any account would never ever come nowhere near Beck. The subtext always being Obama cann´t be The American President who is working for the good of the people.
Various other images are very often used in this context. Cancer, the mighty octopus whose tentacles reach and can be found everywhere, or the infamous description as <parasites>Â who <suck> the blood out of the body/nationÂ.
So now we have no more opposing political opponent. We have to deal with the worst of the worst. Evil, satanic, destructive, sinister jewish commies and liberals. Notably, attributing the worst characteristics and every opposing political view, no matter however contradicting they are, is justified by an asserted conspiracy of limitless proportions. Liberals, commies, gays, socialists, etc. is just all the same thing. They all want to destroy the country.
The stakes have been raised to the highest level. The conflict is about life and death of the country creating the alertness and fear that so effectively keeps the own political group coherent, mobilized and not the last radicalized. Shiny example is the outrageous lie about the“death panels". They are here to get you, get your money, your house, everything, including your life.
Just as much as the Nazis envisioned skillfully the death of the German Nation to invoke fear also Beck envisions the death of the American Nation for his audience. Beck feeds from many sources of course, he also likes to use the biblical apocalypse scenario. The world is coming to an end. He even advices to stock up food. For these purposes a whole product line is available, naturally.
One very effective technique of the Nazis was to discredit all Media as liberal, jewish controlled fabrication centers. And really, the assumption that all Media besides Fox has anything to report which could be true is widely rejected by the viewers of Fox. It heightens the own credibility in saying I am telling you the truth. I am the only one able and willing to give you the truth.
The acceptance of Beck as godlike speaker of the truth is key. Here again Beck uses the old communication technique which all charlatans use. Yes, he´s smart enough to mix some seemingly objective remarks into his manipulation (Look for yourself), but that is only prove how good he is at his job.
Only very view viewers will actually take the time and effort it takes to study history from various sources. It does not seem necessary since, you got it, Beck is trustworthy. He feels rightfully save enough to even reveal his techniques to a degree without the fear the audience might connect them to him. They even use formulations “Find all the ways to get your Glenn fix throughout the day" on his webpage. Like it is a medicine or something.
In a recent entry they have the following headline: >Francis Fox Piven: Calls for violence.<
One headline and all propaganda techniques in it. A 78-year old Professor is one face of the conspiracy. How classy! The offered clip is an edit of various remarks of hers which do not back Beck up on his claim if you listen to it. Again, Beck and his team are convinced that most of their viewers wont even bother to listen or even if they do just hear something she does not say. She is the stand in for the intellectual, educated, commie, liberal Jew the Nazis liked to attack in general or label their political opponents. I have to say the repeated attacks on Professor Piven makes me fear for her life.
The reactions and comments of many on glennbeck.com and foxnation reflect the message is well received and understood.
There is an shocking amount of mentioning of death and weapons, a shocking amount of people threatening directly or indirectly with the use of weapons, a shocking amount of describing liberals as mentally handicaped people and what not, and not the least a shocking amount of anti-Semitic and racist remarks.
P.S. The segment about Francis Fox Piven the other day was another prove for many points here mentioned.
Thoughtful post. What angers me most is the way all of Fox News discredits other news outlets. Some of the commentary is sophmoric like:
"Nobody watches MSNBC", or "nobody reads the blog Media Matters.", and Palin's favorite: "the lamestream media."
However, some of the ways they discredit is by bigotry (I am not just talking about race, but about anybody who doesn't live like you do, or think like you do) and lying. As you said, most people will not take the time to check out the facts, the people who take Fox seriously, either are too bigoted or cannot conceive that our nation has usually been progressive (sometimes more than at other times).
Our greatest strength has always been our ability to be forward thinking. We reject the notion that we are perfect, and that we need to keep shaping the nation so that it meets the needs of as many citizens as possible.
Sadly, many believe they live in a nation that never existed.
Pretty much everything about it angers me. Not the least it angers me how well it works and how effective they - as in the whole FoxNetwork- are. I have said that several times. I dont like it all, but they are experts and pros at it.
I am very found of the Founding Fathers and admire them for establishing and framing a democracy. I know not perfect by our standards, but nevertheless a huge achievement in the history of mankind. To see these brilliant minds and thinkers being reduced to extras in the Glenn-Beck-Propaganda-Show upsets me a lot, tbh.
It highlights the fact that Beck (and others) are deflecting their own propaganda techniques by accusing others of what they themselves are doing.
That is exactly the case.
"I would also like to see a comparison between Beck and the Nazis."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/30/861935/-Achtung-Glenn-Beck!-Becks-Nazi-Roots-Revealed
here ya go.
The "Nazi Tourettes" syndrome is a mere rebranding exercise for these same old hateful ideas. The labels are different but the core ideas are exactly the same. It's very dangerous and very very dishonest. We need people in the "elite liberal lamestream media" to confront and expose this dialog for what it really is.
OK, here it comes - he is a socialist who called for George Bush's closest ally in the Iraq War to resign.
If Glenn Beck were here today I would say to him: "Glenn Beck, you are a bigot. You bring shame to your country, not because you lack balance, but because you are an unthinking buffoon. Rupert Murdoch tolerates you because you are his useful idiot. He uses you to get a foothold in the doors of the powerful. Like his phone-hacking journalists and his pugnacious leader-writers in Australia, you are expendable. Let us hope he disposes of your nasty brand of intolerance sooner rather than later."
It is Rupert and James Murdoch who should answer for bigots such as Glenn Beck and phone hackers such as Clive Goodman and Glen Mulcaire. They employ them. They promote them. They are responsible for them. It is time for thinking citizens in the United Kingdom, the United States and Australia to unite against the Murdochs' vicious brand of politics that masquerades as publishing.
It needs to be said.
I would imagine that Newscorp is extremely happy about that lack.
It is extremely odd that our founding fathers, who seem to be held in almost god-like reverence by some of these right wing buffoons, even attributed omniscience, would forget to include something about truthfulness from the press in the Constitution. My only guess would be that they never imagined that a free press would outright lie, though how they, in their omniscience, could have missed that, I have no clue.
This is another of those little things that destroys that "if it isn't in the Constitution, it isn't legal" argument.
Chavez will accept your ungrateful azz with open arms.
But you wont because your a big puzzy, who's probably has never even been pst the county line.
I have been all over the planet in service to MY country, so anytime you want to come escort me out of it, you feel free to give it a shot. Bring friends. Lots of them.
I do agree with the British legislator, in that Beck is an unthinking buffoon.
Beck is an anti-Semite, no matter his professed support of Israel. He probably only supports it because he sees Israel as anti-Arab, anti-Muslim and anti-Persian when, all cultures that make Beck's fundamentalist Mormonism and evangelical Christian followers bristle with fear, superstition, prejudice and racism.
Of course, I'm generalizing. Sue me.
I am in complete agreement with everything you said, except for a minor issue with the following:
Just as bintx said upthread that we cannot apply American laws regarding freedom of speech to the UK, we should not apply journalistic standards to Glenn Beck -- because BECK IS NOT A JOURNALIST.
He doesn't have the training, education, experience, or, I believe, the desire to become one.
He's a self-admitted rodeo clown; an attention-grabber who {correctly} believes the First Amendment gives him the right to spew BS and smear, but {incorrectly} thinks it entitles him to a network to spew it on, an audience to hear it, and a climate free of rebuttal.
Additionally, like other far right media blowhards, he thinks withdrawal of any {corporate} support is an attempt to "silence" him; not realizing that, while it is the First Amendment that gives him the right to shout, it is public law that regulates where and when, and to an extent what he may shout, and market forces that determine how long he'll get to shout to how many. He is otherwise free to scream at the four walls of his basement all day long.
But he's no journalist -- that's his, and his most ardent defenders like MagCynic's, fallback excuse.
1) Admit your glasses do not make you smarter.
2) Admit that you have no control over lying.
3) Admit that you have not successfully completed that other 12-step program (you know, the one for drug addicts)
4) Admit that you can meet thousands of famous people, but that does not make you smarter, especially when some of them are actually infamous with white-supremacist ties
5) Admit your anti-Semitism
6) Admit that college doesn't make someone as stupid as you smarter, so that's why you were never graduated from one
7) Admit that you achieved what you wanted: to be rich and famous
All this attention makes those days of hateful radio bile that you spewed seem sedate, doesn't it, Glennie?
The same christians believe that the US is the "New Zion" and that they are the true "House of Israel". Somehow they have inherited the Covenant from the jews.
The cognitive dissonance and the doublespeak is awesome to watch. Israel simply accepts the money they send, but are very cautious. I'm wouldn't doubt that they monitor many christians groups that travel to Israel.
Just crack open the Tim Lahaye eschatological nightmare called " The Left Behin". It is the worst series I've ever read, but it revealing about how about 30 million americans view the world.
Beck is no different with his radical mormon "White Horse " theology.
Just remember Fox is propatainment and not news.
The essence of propaganda is a transmitter who wants to bring his message across to the masses to influence the masses. A simple sounding task that is quiet difficult to achieve. Beck has a clear assignment. Beck doesnt try to convince people who dont belong to his audience. His general refusal to engage in debates, I think, is caused not only by the predictable result of his exposure. There is really no need for it from a practical standpoint. Why waste time on that? The core task is to keep his audience mobilized for political purposes and as willing customers for his products. There are the ones who are putting pressure on the decision makers since they are mobilized. There also the ones who put money in his pocket.
Beck manages to appear as a leader and a peer of this group with the use of several factors. The messengers needs credibility and Beck achieves that mainly in being the voice of his audience and reprsenting theri views while he in fact takes advantage of their needs.
The God Factor
God and the Bible are the ultimate source for authorization. Beck refers regularly to God of course. When he tells the audience to listen to God he speaks for his audience. Prob many of them believe that God actually
speaks to them. Hearing God or not hearing God is an utterly important criteria for judging a person and his motives. The ones who hear God are good. The ones who dont are bad and evil. The God factor includes or excludes people. There are many hot issues where that division line
is visible like same sex marriage or abortion. Another major impact is the defending and glorification of irrationality as in the irrational believe that the earth is 6000 years old.
The Gut Factor
Beck says you should not only listen to God, but also to your gut. It is necessary to keep the trust in irrationality high. Irrationality makes reasonable arguments impossible. Furthermore it okays the irrational fears of uneducated and uniformed folks. It is okay to trust your guts. That is the opposite of enlightenment. Fear is better than reason and Beck needs the gut to be unquestioned to make the psychological factor work.
The Psychological Factor
All or almost all humans fear what is unknown to them. The need for self preservation and security as Bernays pointed out are strong motivators. Another model is the hierarchy of needs by Abraham Maslow. I am not sure if Beck has mentioned him yet, but he and his team are surely very well aware of Maslow.
Branching out into the life coach business with his e4 nonsenseand his latest book is surprise, surprise on top of Maslow pyramide. It is called self-actualization and is part of Megamotivation. On the button are the most basic physiological needs like food.
Of course Beck doesnt give the audience literally food,
but he heavenly exploits the fear of losing food and security. Pretty much any of Beck comments can be attributed to one of the layers in Maslows model. He exploits the so-called deficiency needs on the one hand, and on the other hand offers with his remarks about the intelligence of his audience for example the sense of belonging to a well informed community of honorable people. The love and esteem Maslow included in his hierarchy of needs.
On a psychological level that is the main guiding line for Becks propaganda I would say.
The Visual Factor
The presentation in his studio is for me another part out that gig. The setting as friendly teacher with the chalkboards resounds the image of childhood. It
is a fair assumption that most of the viewership have an idealized picture of their childhood when everything was save. The world has gotten so damn complicated today. Back than everything was so much easier. And Beck takes
you back to this place of your memory and tells you how the world works. He also likes to come on stage in a childlike fashion with the sneakers and the ice cream or sitting on the desk like a kid emphasizing how great it was to be a kid.
I still think his logo is created on purpose to make you more willing to accept his messages, but some scientist would have to study that for confirmation.
The Propaganda Factor
Without the expert knowledge of human psychology the propaganda wouldnt work as well. The roles are clear.
Jewish, liberal ,Socialists, Commies, Progressives endanger the Nation. That is the translation of the deficiency needs
and being needs into political terms. While the evil is perceived out of fear for your deficiency needs, the flipside of belonging to the true America is the reward or healing of the being needs for love and esteem.
That is the melody Beck plays over and over again, shamelessly using racist and anti-Semitic stereotypes. I just link to my comment on that.
Beck uses emotional comparisons, words and metaphors. I sometimes wondered why he would says certain words that appear unusual and odd. For me it has become clear now why that happens. He always looks for a way to stay in the shape of Maslows model.
Beck is repeating lie after lie and the lies are believed by so many because Beck delivers on their needs as Maslow has described them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/23/rupert-murdoch-empire-news-international
"At the heart of everything is Rupert Murdoch's considerable personal power, which he wields to menace any government that stands in the way of his commercial ambitions or offends his basically conservative agenda."
Congratulations to you also Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch. You are also recognized internationally as people with no morals and no scruples because you make it possible for Beck to pollute the airwaves--however, if you are unaware of what Beck says, you are also incompetent.