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British MP Tom Watson To Glenn Beck: "You Are A Bigot"

January 21, 2011 1:59 pm ET

Watson: Glenn Beck "Has Been Broadcasting Anti-Semetic Messages For A Number Of Months"

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From the January 20, 2011, UK Parliament transcript:

Mr Tom Watson (West Bromwich East) (Lab): It is a pleasure to serve under you, Ms Clark, and I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Bassetlaw (John Mann)-a long-time friend-on securing the debate. Many positive and interesting contributions have been made this afternoon, many of which I could not possibly emulate. The depth of wisdom and experience in the Chamber is so great that I found myself wondering why I was here. Then, when we heard the speech of our colleague and friend, the hon. Member for Ilford North (Mr Scott), I realised why. He spoke very movingly and, to provide some solidarity, nobody should go through what he and his family went through during the general election.

I shall concentrate on the section on the media in the report produced a few years ago by the all-party parliamentary group against anti-Semitism, chaired by my hon. Friend the Member for Bassetlaw. The group's inquiry called on the media to have discussions on the impact of language and imagery in the current discourse on Judaism, anti-Zionism and Israel, and-while striking a balance on the independence of the media-to recognise that the way in which the news is reported has significant consequences on interaction between communities in Britain. Ministers in the previous Administration held a departmental conference on the issue. Many ideas were discussed, and the challenges and problems were recognised. I reiterate my hon. Friend's support for an early conference, and I know that the Minister will try to follow that up if possible.

I want to talk about specific examples of anti-Semitism in the media, particularly an ongoing problem with Fox News, which is also broadcast in the United Kingdom. I shall focus in particular on the show hosted by Glenn Beck, who has been broadcasting anti-Semitic messages for a number of months. Fox News is bound by all of Ofcom's broadcasting code, including the section entitled, "Due Impartiality and Due Accuracy and Undue Prominence of Views and Opinions". It has to have an EU licence to broadcast in the UK, and therefore has to adhere to the broadcasting code. However, I believe that the kind of content that I shall highlight would certainly not fall within the code's remit.

I have been made aware of recent comments by Glenn Beck on his show that should be of great concern to all of us who want to stand shoulder to shoulder with colleagues such as the hon. Member for Ilford North. Although the comments were broadcast primarily in the US, it cannot and must not be forgotten that the show is also aired daily, live on Sky TV, in the UK. Glenn Beck singled out Simon Greer, the chief executive officer and president of an organisation in the US called Jewish Funds for Justice, who made comments about "advancing the common good". Glenn Beck responded by saying that such comments

"are what led to the death camps in Germany",

and that Simon Greer,

"as a Jew, should know better."

Fox executives, including Fox News president, Roger Ailes, and the producer of Glenn Beck's television show, Joel Cheatwood, assured Jewish Funds for Justice and other community representatives that they understood their concerns, that

"ultimate sensitivity must be exercised when referencing the Holocaust",

and that they would explain them to Beck. The organisation subsequently received a handwritten note from Beck to that effect.

After the note was sent, in November 2010, Glenn Beck broadcast a three-part programme on prominent Jewish philanthropist and holocaust survivor George Soros. The programme invoked disturbing language that bore a stark resemblance to the imagery and language used by extreme right-wing groups to demonise the Jewish community in the lead-up to world war two. Glenn Beck referred to George Soros as the "puppet master" and attacked him for having escaped the holocaust and for his pro-democracy work, which he compared to Nazism.

Beck has a highly polemical style that frequently employs rhetoric drawing on the holocaust. Most shockingly, he accused Soros of having been

"a Jewish boy helping send the Jews to the death camps."

That provoked enormous offence to the Jewish community in the United States. Thus far, Fox News has defended that Glenn Beck special. News Corporation has been silent on the matter. These are not isolated incidents of intolerance from Beck. Indeed, in response to some of this stuff, Jewish Funds for Justice compiled the 10 most shocking statements made by Beck in his show during 2010. The organisation recently undertook an action at News Corp's offices and presented a petition signed by more than 10,000 people that called on Rupert Murdoch to remove Glenn Beck from the Fox News station because of his comments.

I shall quote from the top 10 comments, which are not all anti-Semitic; they also attack other groups and individuals. 
No. 1:

"God will wash this nation with blood if he has to."

No. 2: putting

"the common good first...leads to death camps."

"Women are psychos." That was No. 3. Beck's election coverage goal was to make George Soros cry, which Beck said was "hard to do," as Soros

"saw people into gas chambers."

That was no. 4.

No. 5: Uncle Sam is a "child molester" who is "raping our wallets" and "destroying our families." No. 6: Beck mocks President Obama's daughters for "their level of education." Beck said that

"we have been sold a lie"

that "the poor in America" are suffering. That was No. 7.

No. 8:

"Charles Darwin is the father of the holocaust."

No. 9: social justice is a

"perversion of the Gospel...not what Jesus was saying."

Beck likened himself to Israeli Nazi hunters, when he said:

"To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter."

That was No. 10.

I think that most colleagues would agree that those comments are highly alarming and absolutely inappropriate for broadcast on any show, let alone one that positions itself as a news show. Such comments would not fall within the parameters of the Ofcom code to ensure:

"Due Impartiality and Due Accuracy and Undue Prominence of Views and Opinions".

In addition, the Dana Milbank column in The Washington Post reported in October 2010 that in Beck's

"first 18 months on Fox News, from early 2009 through the middle of this year," --

that is last year --

"he and his guests invoked Hitler 147 times. Nazis, an additional 202 times. Fascism or fascists, 193 times. The Holocaust got 76 mentions, and Joseph Goebbels got 24."

I hope we all agree that that is a disturbing number of instances to raise those terms, in a way that is both irresponsible and does not provide any educational or beneficial basis for doing so; for instance, labelling President Obama a "Nazi." The Holocaust Educational Trust has said:

"One of the best ways to combat anti-semitism and prejudice of all kinds is to encourage tolerance and respect twinned with advocacy of engagement with civil society and the democratic process."

The Glenn Beck show in no way achieves those vitally important aims. That type of journalism is dangerous and can have wide-ranging negative effects on society. The kind of material broadcast by Glenn Beck is not unique; a number of other "shock jocks" operate in the States. However, none has displayed intolerance on such a frequent and irresponsible scale as Glenn Beck. It is vital that that kind of "news" is not made or broadcast in the UK. However, the proposed acquisition of BSkyB by News Corp means that there is an increased threat of its becoming a reality.

Although the Ofcom code exists to prevent that kind of anti-Semitic language from being broadcast as news, there is still the danger of "foxification" in the UK. Professor Steven Barnett of the university of Westminster has recently argued that the laws that oversee broadcasting in the UK would prevent a recreation of Fox News. However, it is possible that there could be a shift in the centre of gravity, and that the situation in the UK will change.

Robert Halfon: Although I have not seen the Glenn Beck show, I have seen other parts of Fox News, which tend to be much fairer on extreme Islamism and on Israel than other news outlets. Would the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that, whatever Glenn Beck may or may not do, Fox News-and, indeed, the Murdoch newspapers-has a good record on this?

Mr Watson: People tell me that Fox News is positive about Israel but negative about Jews. It is possible for Glenn Beck to represent that negative angle of Fox News. The reason why I am so concerned is that Rupert Murdoch has claimed that Sky News would be much more popular if it were more like Fox News. I do not want that to become a reality in the United Kingdom.

The issue has been picked up in the UK media recently. There have been articles on the subject by Deborah Lipstadt for The Jewish Chronicle and by Ian Burrell in The Independent. Lipstadt states:

"At the same time, Roger Ailes was interviewed by Tina Brown's Daily Beast about NPR's decision to fire one of its commentators, who also appears on Fox News. The commentator had said that, upon boarding a plane and seeing someone dressed in Muslim garb, he gets nervous. A silly comment but one that did not seem to warrant dismissal. Speaking of NPR officials, Ailes said: 'They are, of course, Nazis. They have a kind of Nazi attitude. They are the left wing of Nazism. These guys don't want any other point of view.'"

When a barrage of criticism rained down upon him, he apologised not to the people he called Nazis, but to Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League.

The Independent article quoted Andrew Neil, who said:

"My own view is [Fox] is out of control".

Neil told Richard Bacon on BBC Radio 5 Live recently:

"I think Rupert Murdoch has lost control of it. I know from sources he's not happy with a lot that appears on it and I think he's lost over the Glenn Becks and the O'Reillys".

In October 2009, Waitrose became one of a number of UK firms to pull all advertising on Fox News in response to comments made about President Obama. It was reported just last week that the broadcast of Glenn Beck's show in the UK has run without any commercials for nearly 11 months in response to his incendiary comments. Such great concern has been caused by Beck that there is an ongoing campaign both in the UK and the US to stop Glenn Beck and deter companies from advertising during his show. I am pleased and extremely encouraged that companies in the UK feel strongly enough about the issue to withhold advertising. It demonstrates that the anti-Semitic and generally divisive, incendiary and prejudicial language that has been broadcast in the UK will not be tolerated in this country. However, it is important that these issues continue to be raised and that TV executives are challenged on such matters.

If Glenn Beck were here today I would say to him: "Glenn Beck, you are a bigot. You bring shame to your country, not because you lack balance, but because you are an unthinking buffoon. Rupert Murdoch tolerates you because you are his useful idiot. He uses you to get a foothold in the doors of the powerful. Like his phone-hacking journalists and his pugnacious leader-writers in Australia, you are expendable. Let us hope he disposes of your nasty brand of intolerance sooner rather than later."

It is Rupert and James Murdoch who should answer for bigots such as Glenn Beck and phone hackers such as Clive Goodman and Glen Mulcaire. They employ them. They promote them. They are responsible for them. It is time for thinking citizens in the United Kingdom, the United States and Australia to unite against the Murdochs' vicious brand of politics that masquerades as publishing.

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    • Author by cst (January 21, 2011 2:07 pm ET)
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      It's interesting to remember that Beck's show runs in England with NO COMMERCIALS (except for "house ads") because no advertiser wants to have their products linked with him.
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      • Author by Saturnalian (January 21, 2011 2:14 pm ET)
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        Yet Fux insists on providing this crappy propaganda without regard. You may notice that virtually ALL cable TV has Fux Snooze FREE too!
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        • Author by Quicksilver M.S (January 21, 2011 2:40 pm ET)
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          Also Fox is on most if not all Television sets in Bar, Restaurants, Gyms,and other public places were a T.V. is on .
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          • Author by PeaceOut-Snuggums (January 21, 2011 3:26 pm ET)
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            My wife and I make it a point to demand the station be changed whenever we are in an establishment that uses Fox Snooze as its home channel. Generally, most do so willingly. The few times that we were refused, we demand to see the manager of the establishment. In all but very rare occassions, that ends the problem. In the very few where the manager refused our request, we contacted the home office, by phone, email and mail, stressing the need to be "fair and balanced" by not broadcasting the GOP Shopping Network. Of course, needless to say, we also refused to ever visit those few establishments again and spread the word amoungst our family and like minded friends. Regardless as to one's point of view on Faux Snooze, there is no reason that anyone should be subjected to a station they find distasteful, there are many other neutral stations out there - heck, put on Nickelodeon, if nothing else.
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            • Author by kfraz43 (January 21, 2011 3:47 pm ET)
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              I stayed at an Embassy Suites near Disneyland a prior to the election in '08, and Faux Snooze was on in the lounge/dining area. My wife and I were sitting with our children, who were quite young at the time, and Fox was going off on one of its rants about Obama, with the closed caption on. I asked the front desk clerk to please change the channel, and she said that she couldn't. I asked for the manager on duty, and when I spoke with him he indicated that it was corporate policy - that it was set to Fox for the "business traveler". I reminded the manager that we were about a mile from Disneyland, and as such there were dozens of children roaming around the lobby and other common areas, and that the families with children at this particular Embassy Suites must have massively outnumbered business travelers, but the manager still refused to change the channel. It was the last time I stayed at an Embassy Suites, for either business or pleasure. I emailed their customer relations department when I got home, and never heard anything back from them.
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              • Author by Lizinbklyn (January 21, 2011 4:14 pm ET)
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                Good to know . .

                Embassy Suites OFF my list in the future!
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              • Author by akmikeus (January 21, 2011 5:28 pm ET)
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                You didn't really expect a reply, did you you pompus azz?

                Well now Embassy is moved higher on my list.
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                • Author by Ecotopian (January 21, 2011 5:40 pm ET)
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                  "Well now Embassy is moved higher on my list."

                  You just moved higher on one of my lists too, akmikeus. I won't go into detail, but it has to do with the hind ends of horses.
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                  • Author by usp (January 22, 2011 12:21 pm ET)
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                    i think it's quite cool that those folks are willing to 'stay in their pens'. it makes it easy to keep track of them.
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                • Author by bilbo_dies (January 21, 2011 6:19 pm ET)
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                  You didn't really expect a reply, did you you pompus azz?

                  So, you tend to choose hotels based on the fact that they do not respond to guest inquiries. Curious.
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                  • Author by carlileb5935 (January 22, 2011 12:55 am ET)
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                    Why not? Isn't that important?

                    Well no, I guess-- I like to choose businesses that ignore me too. Right.
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                • Author by mari2jj (January 23, 2011 2:03 pm ET)
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                  Actually it is very debatable who is the pompous guy but their name starts with the letters akm. Embassy Suites is out for our group also. Amazing the lengths these companies go to chase away customers. Must be rolling in customers so they can afford to lose them. However, last few Embassy Suites I passed had a pretty low customer base.
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                • Author by sociocrat (January 23, 2011 4:45 pm ET)
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                  akmikeus=moron and jerk!
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              • Author by ToTheRight1965 (January 23, 2011 8:59 pm ET)
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                Should have told your kids to listen. They might have learned something useful.
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              • Author by anitamurie (January 24, 2011 4:09 am ET)
                   
                My family was just talking about taking another trip to Disney world. In the past, we had stayed in the resort. This time we were considering Embassy Suites since it is across the street and provides transportation and a free breakfast (if you've been to Disney you know how expensive the food is). However, we will be making other plans and I'll be sure to let our travel agent, and every else, know why.
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            • Author by JoeSixpack (January 21, 2011 4:09 pm ET)
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              I commend you, sir. I've often said that you vote with your dollars every day, and you've taken it a few steps further. Well done!
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            • Author by akmikeus (January 21, 2011 5:25 pm ET)
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              The few times that we were refused, we demand to see the manager of the establishment.

              And once again an Elitist rears it's ugly head.

              The gall of an establishment for not meeting your demands.

              You did inform them of who you were didnt you?

              I would think you would choose the sci-fi channel first, but what the heck, Nickelodeon sounds about you actual speed.
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              • Author by mjh (January 21, 2011 7:34 pm ET)
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                "And once again an Elitist rears it's ugly head.

                The gall of an establishment for not meeting your demands." -- ackmuckus


                Now, ackmuckus -- why do you disparage 'lil dick Cheney like that?


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                • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 8:37 pm ET)
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                  I find it even more telling that mucous would simply accept whatever an establishment dealt him. I guess some folks like to be walked on.
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                  • Author by usp (January 22, 2011 12:23 pm ET)
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                    it's that whole rush limbaugh thing: bend over and grab your ankles. they kind of like it like that.
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              • Author by snewkirk (January 22, 2011 12:16 pm ET)
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                haha, wow.. So it seems being an Elitist has it's benefits! You fight & then get what you paid for.

                Why do they make it sound like such a bad thing??

                new slogan:
                "Want results? Go Elite"
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          • Author by patt304 (January 21, 2011 5:52 pm ET)
               
            Of course, he is the business person's wet dream.
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          • Author by union (January 22, 2011 11:00 pm ET)
               
            True. It's on two TV sets at the same gym. Of five in the room.

            It's also on in train stations, shops of all kinds, and places to eat. If you go somewhere during the day, and it's not a library, you're probably going to be hit with this stuff at some point.
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      • Author by akmikeus (January 21, 2011 2:56 pm ET)
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        Actually, British television runs very few "Adverts" as my British co-worker calls them. His first time in Houston when we roomed together, he could not believe or even understand why American TV had so many "Adverts".

        Nothing to do with the show being Beck's or UK Got Talent or any other British TV show.

        Nice try.
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        • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 3:21 pm ET)
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          Sorry, but Beck's program has NO advertisers in the UK except Fox/Sky self-promotions. He did have advertisers before. Your "friend" may have been talking about "adverts" on BBC. Beck isn't on BBC.
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        • Author by emberglance (January 21, 2011 3:23 pm ET)
             
          What are you on about? All broadcast TV in England is ad-supported except the BBC, which is funded by a mandatory licence fee. Programming on Sky in England stops for ads just the same as it does here. It's possible you get slightly more advertising in the US though - that's probably what your co-worker was trying to say...
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        • Author by wampyrii (January 21, 2011 3:27 pm ET)
             
          Erm no, you are wrong.

          I am British and I can tell you we get plenty of 'adverts' on commercial television, especially on satellite TV like SKY. The BBC channels have no commercials because we pay an enforced TV licence yearly. The rest of the channels are jam packed with them.

          For a show on SKY to run commercial free *IS* a big deal and I have little doubt it has everything to do with no British advertisers wanting to be associated with his hate filled garbage.
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        • Author by mjh (January 21, 2011 3:35 pm ET)
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          "Actually, British television runs very few "Adverts" as my British co-worker calls them. His first time in Houston when we roomed together, he could not believe or even understand why American TV had so many "Adverts"." -- ackmuckus


          Very few?

          Then, why are there WHOLE WEBSITES devoted to favorite adverts?

          Television advertising in Britain differs from that in the US primarily in terms of CONTENT, not frequency.

          Nice try {not really}.


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        • Author by nicholjm (January 21, 2011 3:47 pm ET)
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          Actually, British television runs very few "Adverts" as my British co-worker calls them. His first time in Houston when we roomed together, he could not believe or even understand why American TV had so many "Adverts".


          Actually, that's bollocks, I am British and what that person meant was there are many more adverts which occur more often on US tv. BBC runs no adverts as it is license funded, Satellite (there is no cable to speak of) is commercial and does run adds. When I moved here to the US (I am a dual national now) I could not believe there were adds about every 5 minutes, I was particularly amazed when the show ran the opening credits then immediately went back to commercials. THat still annoys me.

          So yes, so no adverts AT ALL during Beck is a big deal and DOES show that none of the advertisers want to associated with that bigot. Nice try my arse!
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          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 21, 2011 4:59 pm ET)
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            Thanks for the correction. Seems Ami was depending on American ignorance.
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          • Author by Alan in NJ (January 21, 2011 5:35 pm ET)
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            Are you saying that Beck isn't carried by the BBC? So hard to believe.
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          • Author by ptluzzi59 (January 22, 2011 12:57 am ET)
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            he made all that up about a co-worker and what he said because we all know he is to stupid to have a job.
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          • Author by irishbybirthmunsterbygraceofgod (January 22, 2011 8:03 am ET)
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            bollix on an american website i love it
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            • Author by usp (January 22, 2011 12:28 pm ET)
                 
              i thought that was just a sex pistols album! a new term for my foul mouth! woo
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        • Author by So Fain (January 21, 2011 3:48 pm ET)
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          False. Glenn Beck's show in the UK has run without any commercials for nearly 11 months.

          ZERO.

          Showing less "adverts" than we do in the US is true (I've been to the UK on many occasions) but they still show them. Glenn Beck's advertising breaks have NO ads. Nothing. Not a one.

          Nice try... Liar.
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        • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 21, 2011 4:30 pm ET)
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          Nice try.


          You are clearly an idiot.
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          • Author by akmikeus (January 21, 2011 5:31 pm ET)
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            And Beck is still cleary on British TV with or without Adverts.
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            • Author by highlyunlikely (January 21, 2011 7:20 pm ET)
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              conceding the point while denying conceding the point. Why that tactic is used I'll never know.
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            • Author by ptluzzi59 (January 22, 2011 12:58 am ET)
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              you lost now get lost!
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            • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 22, 2011 6:16 pm ET)
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              And Beck is still cleary on British TV with or without Adverts.


              so that's what you meant to say when you posted this?

              Actually, British television runs very few "Adverts" as my British co-worker calls them. His first time in Houston when we roomed together, he could not believe or even understand why American TV had so many "Adverts".

              Nothing to do with the show being Beck's or UK Got Talent or any other British TV show.

              Nice try.



              No, what's a "nice try" is you trying to make a point!

              Anyway, tell us again about wind chill! Idiot.
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        • Author by sociocrat (January 23, 2011 4:50 pm ET)
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          akmikeus, it is difficult for to think when you are sitting, isnt it? Too much pressure on your brain?
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        • Author by sociocrat (January 23, 2011 4:50 pm ET)
             
          akmikeus, it is difficult for to think when you are sitting, isnt it? Too much pressure on your brain?
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        • Author by sociocrat (January 23, 2011 5:09 pm ET)
             
          akmikeus, it is difficult for to think when you are sitting, isnt it? Too much pressure on your brain?
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      • Author by mari2jj (January 23, 2011 8:56 pm ET)
           
        Great to see the international community come together to totally reject Beck's so obvious racism. Of course, he tries to act as if he is clueless about it, but alas, too many have called him out for him to not get what a true racist he is.
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    • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:12 pm ET)
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      Robert Halfon: Although I have not seen the Glenn Beck show, I have seen other parts of Fox News, which tend to be much fairer on extreme Islamism and on Israel than other news outlets. Would the hon. Gentleman acknowledge that, whatever Glenn Beck may or may not do, Fox News-and, indeed, the Murdoch newspapers-has a good record on this?


      Obviously, this dude hasn't seen many "other parts of Fox News."
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      • Author by cst (January 21, 2011 2:18 pm ET)
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        Actually, this brings up a question: Is the version of FOX NEWS seen oversee altered in any way? (I know that's true of some other cable channels, for a variety of valid reasons).
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        • Author by jjamele2880 (January 21, 2011 3:36 pm ET)
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          Yes, FOX NEWS is edited for content- all the misinformation and biased drivel is removed. The edited version runs from 1:00 PM to 1:03 PM every day.

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (January 21, 2011 3:48 pm ET)
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            "...from 1:00 PM to 1:03 PM every day."

            That's including two minutes of "adverts"... ;>)
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        • Author by irishbybirthmunsterbygraceofgod (January 22, 2011 8:08 am ET)
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          no cst its run in all its racist lying glory its just dwarfed by sky news if the average irish or english person turned on o liely shammity or blech they would probably turn to sky news as they would have no idea who those people are. im the exception im beginning to think im a pervert
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (January 21, 2011 2:50 pm ET)
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        Or he's ideologically predisposed to accept their bilge.
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      • Author by code6840 (January 22, 2011 12:42 pm ET)
           
        I believe he was referring to other Murdoch/NewsCorp media outlets such as The Sun and News Of The World national newspapers.
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      • Author by rashadkijani (January 23, 2011 12:52 pm ET)
           
        I wonder if Fox news people even watch Fox news or even have seen replays of their own shows. This guy cited like 147 instances of mentioning hitler and like another 200 instances of invoking the nazis. And that is only the Glenn beck show. Yet Megyn Kelly can can say with a straight face she has never heard any of her colleagues make nazi comparisons.
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      • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:14 pm ET)
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        It is reporting on what others see as Beck's use of misinformation, lies and violent imagery. Totally relevant, jake5.
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        • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 2:19 pm ET)
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          And with your unsubstantiated statements you bintx become more IRRELEVANT.

          Quote for me from MMFA stated goals showing this story is relevant to their cause?
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          • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:25 pm ET)
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            Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media.


            MMFA posted the transcript and video of a report on Glenn Beck's use of anti-Semitism, racism, misinformation, lies and violent imagery.

            As I said, jake5, it was completely relevant.
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            • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 2:39 pm ET)
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              MMFA posted the transcript and video of a report on Glenn Beck's use of anti-Semitism, racism, misinformation, lies and violent imagery."


              This is not a new story and it doesn't meet MMFA criteria. Basically, it is a repeat of old news. Only a British guy said it this time....so what?

              So bintx it is not completely relevant. :)
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              • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:41 pm ET)
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                Yes, it does. Using all those bold letters indicates anger. You use them in every post. Why are you so angry, jake5?
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              • Author by progressivevoicedaily (January 21, 2011 2:45 pm ET)
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                nobody here cares what you think. I for one am glad MMFA posted this, you won't find this reported on any main stream corporate owned news outlet.
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                • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
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                  progressivevoicedaily

                  bintx cares what I think!

                  And you do too because you responded to what I said/think. Thank you for caring.
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                  • Author by progressivevoicedaily (January 21, 2011 3:03 pm ET)
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                    Don't flatter yourself bud:), It won't happen again if your posts are void of substance.
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                    • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 3:08 pm ET)
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                      Void of substance? No one has proven me wrong yet.

                      By the way you said "nobody here cares what you think".

                      Why do you keep responding to my posts?
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                      • Author by The_Cat (January 21, 2011 4:23 pm ET)
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                        Did the report mention conservative misinformation in the U.S. media, i.e., Glenn Beck? Why, yes it did. Other nations are beginning to do studies on what is wrong with Beck, and coming to much the same conclusions as we have here, unsurprisingly.

                        Are you a fan of Glenn Beck, jake5?
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (January 21, 2011 6:55 pm ET)
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                        No one has proven me wrong yet.

                        People that post that line are usually wrong most of the time.
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              • Author by Quicksilver M.S (January 21, 2011 2:54 pm ET)
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                "This is not a new story and it doesn't meet MMFA criteria. Basically, it is a repeat of old news. Only a British guy said it this time....so what?"

                All of what Glenn Lee beck has to say is OLD NEWS. Yet , each and every day Mr. beck makes old news NEW NEWS again !

                jake5:
                Here is your trophy ... thank you for playing
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                • Author by papa bear3 (January 21, 2011 3:11 pm ET)
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                  ...I think it is revealing that Beck is criticizing some Labor Party MP.

                  This means Beck's writers/owners are branching out to the large UK skinhead population? I am sure there are people in the UK and Europe that would be concerned about this.

                  Maybe you should check out "Remains of the Day"
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                • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 3:18 pm ET)
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                  All of what Glenn Lee beck has to say is OLD NEWS. Yet , each and every day Mr. beck makes old news NEW NEWS again !


                  That doesn't make any sense but thanks for the trophy!
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                  • Author by irishbybirthmunsterbygraceofgod (January 22, 2011 8:12 am ET)
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                    jake why did u ignore the cat when he/she proved you wrong (my apologies the cat i am in no way insinuating that you are hermaphrodite )
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                  • Author by usp (January 22, 2011 12:35 pm ET)
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                    you're like too light weight for the national front.
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                • Author by Real Texas Straight Talk (January 22, 2011 12:49 am ET)
                     
                  I think you meant "here's your sign."
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              • Author by cst (January 21, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
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                [Basically, it is a repeat of old news.]
                So you aknowledge that Beck's anti-semetism is "old news"?
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                • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 3:25 pm ET)
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                  I will try to catch you up on the conversation.

                  Guy in UK repeats some things Beck had said in the past and has already been reported in the news.

                  Therefore it is basically a repeat of old news.

                  Somehow that equates to me acknowledging Beck is anti-semetic?

                  Your sillier than bintx
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                  • Author by afriend (January 21, 2011 3:49 pm ET)
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                    what is new about this posting is the revelation that not only in America is Glen Beck considered an "unthinking buffoon."
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                  • Author by So Fain (January 21, 2011 4:06 pm ET)
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                    How the British Government is having to address an American News affiliate broadcasting on Sky absolutely meets MMfA's goals. Fox News and Glenn Beck are America's products and other countries are now worried about the hate that is eating up our country setting hold in their own.

                    You wan to focus on the fact that a British MP is speaking... But the subject is Glenn Beck and Fox News... Again, AMERICANS.

                    Stop being obtuse. You are the kind of hate filled idiot that they are worried about appearing in the UK.
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                    • Author by bilbo_dies (January 21, 2011 6:32 pm ET)
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                      You wan to focus on the fact that a British MP is speaking... But the subject is Glenn Beck and Fox News... Again, AMERICANS.

                      Don't you understand? A real American doesn't care what any foriegner says.



                      <jake5's intern>
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              • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 4:07 pm ET)
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                This is not a new story and it doesn't meet MMFA criteria.
                Jake, hire a lawyer and sue. Let us know how that works out for you.
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      • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:17 pm ET)
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        You do realize that Glenn Beck broadcasts in America, right? And that makes his broadcasts, whether aired here, Australia, Mozambique, or Paraguay part of the U.S. media, right?

        I'm sure you do, so I wonder what compelled you to make such an obtuse comment.
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        • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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          "I'm not sure how reporting what some guy in the UK thinks about Glenn Beck meets any of MMFA stated goals?"

          And you didn't answer my question.
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          • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
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            I did.

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          • Author by The New Pilgrims (January 21, 2011 2:27 pm ET)
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            jake5,

            Hold your breath until I tell you stop. The answer to your questio will come to you soon enough.

            Hugs n kisses,
            Your Daddy
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            • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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              Once again, no one can answer my question. They just say silly things like The New Pilgrims did.

              Or I DID, like bintx said. How sad for you.

              A guy in the UK repeats some things that Beck has said, says he doesn't like it, and MMFA picks it up and reports it. I don't see how this story meets their goal?
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              • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:37 pm ET)
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                You didn't answer my question, jake5. I'll repeat it for you:

                You do realize that Glenn Beck broadcasts in America, right? And that makes his broadcasts, whether aired here, Australia, Mozambique, or Paraguay part of the U.S. media, right?
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                • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 2:44 pm ET)
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                  I do realize Beck broadcast in America.

                  Did you read the article? They (MMFA) are not reporting or repeating a broadcast of Glenn Beck or breaking news about Beck from the UK. They are simply relaying what someone in the UK thinks about Beck.

                  Now answer my question?
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                  • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:46 pm ET)
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                    Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media.


                    We did.
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                    • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 2:52 pm ET)
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                      As bintx sits in the corner drinking his koolaid he TRIES to come up with an answer but fails!

                      Where is the documenting of conservative misinformation in this story?
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                      • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:58 pm ET)
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                        Please note items 1-10 in the transcript.

                        Not sure who you're talking to but, I'm a middle-aged woman who despises Kool-aid. Just a package of chemicals and sugar.

                        You lost, jake5, and your continued temper tantrums are just making you look kind of silly.

                        Thanks for the laughs, though. You never let us down!
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                        • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 3:13 pm ET)
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                          I am glad I gave you some laughs and I never let you down. But you have let me down bintx.

                          You usually come up with some pretty good arguments and valid points. You didn't this time.

                          Drink up, SILLY BOY! :)
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                          • Author by AprilFools (January 21, 2011 3:35 pm ET)
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                            I think you, jake5, have little more than knee jerk responses to posts. I don't think you are taking time to read and think about what bintx is writing otherwise you would understand she is "a middle-aged woman."
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                          • Author by highlyunlikely (January 21, 2011 5:02 pm ET)
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                            Having been mocked for his use of the word "anger," Jake substitutes "silly" and thinks that it isn't the same difference.
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                      • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 4:13 pm ET)
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                        My word, jakey, you do have a serious reading comprehension problem, don't you?
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              • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:37 pm ET)
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                I did, jake5, why are you so angry?

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                • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:42 pm ET)
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                  I don't think it's anger so much as it is the la-la-la-la-I'm-not-listening! method of Internet debate.
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                • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 3:15 pm ET)
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                  I am angry that you koolaid drinkers JUST DON'T GET IT. YOU SIMPLETONS.

                  :)
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                  • Author by progressivevoicedaily (January 21, 2011 3:21 pm ET)
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                    Us simpletons. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one Doocy Bag!
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                    • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 3:28 pm ET)
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                      DOOCY BAG!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one simpleton.

                      I think I am beginning to like you more than I like that stalker, bintx. You make me smile.




                      progressivevoicedaily
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                    • Author by usp (January 22, 2011 12:38 pm ET)
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                      i'd like to continue to play but i would say this thread has been totally derailed.
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                  • Author by bilbo_dies (January 21, 2011 6:35 pm ET)
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                    I am angry that you koolaid drinkers JUST DON'T GET IT. YOU SIMPLETONS.


                    Fix it for you.
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              • Author by all your eyes (January 21, 2011 2:44 pm ET)
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                You can tell when a troll is in a particularly weak position when she has to invoke MMFA's mission statement to find fault with their reporting.

                The preceding transcript is as clear and well-spoken an indictment of Beck's inflamatory anti-Semitic language as any I have seen. Kudos to Media Matters to disseminating it.
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                • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:50 pm ET)
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                  Another member did this yesterday with a Rush Limbaugh story. They kept going on and on and on and on and on and on about how what MMFA was reporting was a reaction to a joke and had nothing to do with conservative misinformation and so why is MMFA posting it and blah blah blah blah blah....

                  I wonder if these two aren't the same person, if one saw that discussion yesterday and thought it was a brilliant tactic (it's not), or if there really is some email chain that hands out discussion tactics each day for people who can't think for themselves.
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                • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 3:30 pm ET)
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                  You can tell when a troll is in a particularly weak position


                  You should not be so harsh on yourself all your eyes.
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              • Author by irishbybirthmunsterbygraceofgod (January 22, 2011 8:15 am ET)
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                the cat answered your question kid you ignored him/her give mom her laptop back
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              • Author by Quicksilver M.S (January 23, 2011 9:02 pm ET)
                   
                Jake5-REwrite :

                "A guy in the UK repeats some things that the President/Vice President/or any Liberal has said, says he doesn't like it, and Fox News and Rush Limbaugh picks it up and reports it, as hard core Fact . I see nothing wrong "
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          • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:28 pm ET)
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            It shows that Glenn Beck's bigotry and idiocy are internationally recognized. It shows that it's not just Americans who recognize "conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

            There, I even used part of MMFA's mission statement in my answer.

            But I gotta say, you guys are really pulling out weak arguments if you have to quote MMFA's entire mission statement, then parse it and ask for specific details as a means of discrediting or questioning what they're doing.

            You can't defend Glenn Beck's words, so instead you attack the person holding the mirror.

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            • Author by magnolialover (January 21, 2011 2:34 pm ET)
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              He'll be back here shortly saying nobody is able to answer his question, claim victory, and retire from the thread.
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              • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:36 pm ET)
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                Which, in NormalLand, means he doesn't want to have to answer our questions after demanding we answer his.
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              • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:40 pm ET)
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                And, the angry little troll will be back accusing everyone else of being "angry." Little does he realize that we're all laughing at him.
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        • Author by DrMatt2003 (January 21, 2011 2:25 pm ET)
             
          Shhhh, don't explain the obvious.
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      • Author by NoTrueScotsman (January 21, 2011 2:19 pm ET)
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        It's not a stretch at all. Glenn Beck is part of what is viewed by the MMfA staff, and a large number of its members, the conservative misinformation present in the United States. The show is not different in the UK; just broadcast to a different location. If a citizen of a foreign country has commentary about an issue in the United States, I fail to see how it would be irrelevant to the stated MMfA mission.
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        • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
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          Could you quote from their stated mission for me which part this covers?
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          • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:27 pm ET)
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            I did.
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          • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:30 pm ET)
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            That's really your whole argument? You've got to try harder Jake!
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          • Author by AprilFools (January 21, 2011 2:41 pm ET)
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            As jake5 sits in a corner covering his eyes with his hands he asks, "Could you quote from their stated mission for me which part this covers?" and then starts yelling, "La,la,la,la,la, I can't hear you, la,la,la ..."
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          • Author by NoTrueScotsman (January 21, 2011 2:53 pm ET)
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            Certainly.

            Words between the curly brackets are commentary, bold for emphasis.

            Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring {this is about Beck, and MMfA has been monitoring his broadcasts due to his continuous contributions to their content}, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media {Beck is broadcast primarily in the United States}.

            Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast {the medium, selected from a list}, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.

            Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information {dissemination typically occurs when you provide something to someone, particularly information, they otherwise would not have received; otherwise, why pass it to them?}, Media Matters posts rapid-response items {in other words, this video/transcription} as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions. {but, most importantly, this item was a source of arguments against said media personality, qualifying as a resource for the stated purposes}


            I assume you'll come back and say "But you didn't answer my question." It seems to be your answer to any post made in opposition of your own posts. However, to be sure that you know I am intending to give you an answer to your posed question:

            Question from jack5:
            Could you quote from their stated mission for me which part this covers?


            Response from NoTrueScotsman:
            As part of monitoring a U.S. media personality who contributes the greater body of misinformation through the broadcast medium, Media Matters for America has disseminated the information in this video/transciption as a resource for rebutting false claims and taking direct actions agains the offending media institution. For this information in complete context, please see the beginning of this post.

            Thank you,

            NoTrueScotsman
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            • Author by AprilFools (January 21, 2011 5:00 pm ET)
              4  
              NoTrueScotsman I believe you are talking way over jakey's head.
              Where do you find the strength to answer him in such a logical, level headed matter when you know he will respond with all the wit a third grader can muster?
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      • Author by swayjay (January 21, 2011 2:35 pm ET)
        5  
        Are you really that upset that you needed to copy, paste and methodically bold it? I didn't know you cared so much about MMFA goals.
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      • Author by Mr. Katanga (January 21, 2011 2:36 pm ET)
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        You want to know why MMA is talking about some Brit raling on the lies of Glenn Beck?

        I'll just cut and paste from your post, then. Thanks


        Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media.


        seems to me they are reporting on someone reporting/ pointing out Beck's lies. I guess if you want to try and play semantics, you can, but that is pretty much a disclaimer screaming: "I have nothing to say that can prove MMA is wrong about Beck."


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        • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:42 pm ET)
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          Exactly.
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          • Author by Mr. Katanga (January 21, 2011 2:55 pm ET)
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            I know. It's pretty mind boggling and pathetic, isn't it. Like trying to talk to a llama about Dancing with the Stars. I won't waste any more energy on it.
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            • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 3:00 pm ET)
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              I'm not. Based on the "I won" posts, this sounds like a sock puppet of that high school kid whose history teacher told him to check this site out. I'm guessing no more than 15-16 years old.

              Have a good one.
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        • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 2:50 pm ET)
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          Guy in UK repeats things Beck has said.
          Guy in UK says he doesn't like Beck or Fox News.
          MMFA repeats words of guy in UK.

          And according to Mr. Katanga that means that MMFA has done their job by fulfilling the goal of: "Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media".

          Wait a minute! No, it doesn't meet that criteria. Try again Katanga
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          • Author by NoTrueScotsman (January 21, 2011 2:54 pm ET)
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            Please see above. I have answered your question citing the source document.
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          • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:54 pm ET)
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            Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media


            Did you see that this person had researched Beck's comments (and had listed 10) about the subject about which he was reporting his analysis?

            You lose. Don't be angry.
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            • Author by jake5 (January 21, 2011 3:05 pm ET)
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              bintx, it's not a matter of winning or losing. Your silly.

              "research and analytic reports'

              Not much research here on MMFA's part and no analysis so they failed their also.

              So if you are measuring winning or losing then you lose! :)
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              • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
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                Just using your terminology, jake5. You're the one who is always claiming that you won. ;-)

                A hint: try a class in reading comprehension. I'm sure that your high school has remedial English classes.

                Later, jake5. Do your homework.
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              • Author by highlyunlikely (January 21, 2011 5:04 pm ET)
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                There's that "silly" again. At some point it will be changed to "foolish."
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              • Author by ptluzzi59 (January 22, 2011 11:04 am ET)
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                give it up troll
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              • Author by Maimon (January 22, 2011 4:05 pm ET)
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                Ahh sorry Fox loses. They don't research at all. O'Riley has often claimed to have the best research team on T.V. Yet his many errors are because they don't research anything. Using Wikipedia is not research. They don't vet their sources at all.

                O'Riley claims G_D exists becasue the tide goes in and the tide goes out. The reality is Astro Physics explains why it happens. He claimed nothing else could explain the tides.

                O'Riley claimed Mao and Nixon never met. Strange their are several pictures of the two leaders seated together.

                O'Riley claimed Fox news never said death panels were real or mentioned on Fox. 34 specific mentions of death panels in 2 weeks.

                Fox claims it enver used nazis imagery...Sigh Watch Beck and you will constantly see nazis imagery.

                All of Fox reported the Presidential trip to India cost $200 million/per day. Beck went as far as to claim the US navy moved 34 warships off the coast of India. Both claims are false. I actually found the average figures for presidential trips in minutes i.e. $3 million to $5 million a day. And the navy claim took one phone call to prove it false.

                So if you are talking about research and real journalism the loser is Fox and its viewers.
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      • Author by RKAllen (January 21, 2011 2:48 pm ET)
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        I believe they have a right to post what ever they want on their own website. This includes posting items, articles, interviews, and reports that may not be directly related to the goals in their mission statement.
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      • Author by akmikeus (January 21, 2011 3:01 pm ET)
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        And what happens to MMFA if Fox shuts down, what will their mission become then?

        I'm sure ALL employees of MMFA greatest fear is what happens to us if FOX shuts down.

        They hammer Fox everyday, but at the end of the day, Fox provides for their everyday needs correct?
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        • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
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          You do understand that this post is an audio/transcript of proceedings in the UK Parliament, right? It was a discussion about not allowing Beck's Fox program to be shown in the UK. They have different laws regarding hate speech than we do and Beck's hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment in the UK. If they want to shut Fox and Beck down in their country, that's their rights, their laws.

          Lord, are you jakey's best buddie?
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        • Author by RKAllen (January 21, 2011 3:15 pm ET)
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          Talk radio comes to mind.
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        • Author by mjh (January 21, 2011 3:48 pm ET)
          5  
          "And what happens to MMFA if Fox shuts down, what will their mission become then?" -- ackmuckus


          EARTH TO ACKMUCKUS:

          Contrary to popular opinion, FOX is not the only media outlet in existence. Should FOX shut down {wishful thinking}, I'm certain MMfA will expose misinformation on CNN, ABC, CBS, and other members of the "librul media" {as it has done in the past} . . .

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          • Author by AprilFools (January 21, 2011 4:01 pm ET)
            2  
            True. MMFA simply have much, much less misinformation to report on.
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            • Author by JoeSixpack (January 21, 2011 4:14 pm ET)
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              ...and I think they'd be pretty happy about that. The world would be a better place if there wasn't so much conservative b.s. to call out. Ain't gonna happen, but it'd be nice.
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          • Author by akmikeus (January 21, 2011 5:37 pm ET)
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            Really? What about MSNBC or are they the perfect news organization?

            You don't have to answer that.

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            • Author by progusa (January 21, 2011 5:43 pm ET)
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              No, no they aren't. But at least they are a news organization. Fox is pure GOP and Conservative Libertarian propaganda.
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            • Author by mjh (January 21, 2011 7:42 pm ET)
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              "Really? What about MSNBC or are they the perfect news organization?" -- ackmuckus


              MSNBC: the wingnut Pavlovian response to "media misinformation."

              Some other wingnut Pavlovian responses:

              - CLINTON
              - JEREMIAH WRIGHT
              - SOCIALIST

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        • Author by So Fain (January 21, 2011 4:11 pm ET)
          4  
          And what happens to MMFA if Fox shuts down, what will their mission become then?

          Ummmm... Nothing changes.

          This thread is NOT about MMfA's mission statement. It's about your hero's lies and hate filled rhetoric.

          Enough strawmen from you two fools.
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        • Author by sociocrat (January 23, 2011 5:12 pm ET)
             
          "And what happens to MMFA if Fox shuts down, what will their mission become then?"
          akmikeus,
          MMFA's purpose is to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast {the medium, selected from a list}, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation. faux is not the only conservative organization involved in systematic misinformation. There is Rush "I flunked out of college" Limbaugh, Andrew "the slanderer" Breitbart or Michael "my name is Weiner" Savage or Mark "the hater" Levin. There is plenty of conservative misinformation out there other than faux; faux is just the biggest and most visible.
          Again, try standing when you read and write, it will take the pressure off your brain.
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      • Author by So Fain (January 21, 2011 3:51 pm ET)
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        I'm not sure how reporting what some guy in the UK thinks about Glenn Beck meets any of MMFA stated goals?

        Fox News is AMERICAN news, idiot.
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      • Author by nicholjm (January 21, 2011 3:55 pm ET)
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        I take it you agree with Beck?
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      • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 4:06 pm ET)
        2  
        Why is it that every time MMFA runs a tangential report either pointing out someone else pointing out right wing misinformation, or pointing out that someone who usually tells lies got something right for once, you get your panties in a wad, jake?

        Nobody forced you to click here. Go play with your dolls, and try to pull your panties out of your ass.

        This one happens to be, in case you missed it, BRITISH PARLIAMENT denouncing Glenn Beck. What MMFA probably should have done is point out that no US news sources have reported on this, but again, why do you care?
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      • Author by aj.physics (January 21, 2011 5:41 pm ET)
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        It's a nice report because it is giving an out side view and analysis of conservative misinformation in the U.S. media. It also lets us see how other democratic nations view, and deal with the type of rhetoric we see every day.

        Think of it as two case studies using the same subject matter, Glen Beck, and changing the back ground, US vs UK. We don't live in a vacuum and this gives us an opportunity to step back and have a new look.

        Great report mmfa.
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      • Author by sociocrat (January 23, 2011 4:59 pm ET)
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        jake I posted this in reply to another idiot right wing loon repubtard, but seems appropriate for you as well,
        It is difficult for you to think when you are sitting, isnt it? Too much pressure on your brain?
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    • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:15 pm ET)
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      Unfortunately, the ultimate result of this segment on Glenn Beck will be to further inflate his ego as he realizes that he's become the subject of a Parliamentary speech. He will use this as evidence of his growing importance and how even the British are trying to silence him.

      Prepare for the martyr rhetoric to be ramped up.

      Of course, this will start with Glenn Beck going after Parliament.
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      • Author by progusa (January 21, 2011 2:21 pm ET)
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        Not only Parliament, but the English in general I suppose. Beck may learn what the First Amendment really means.
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        • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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          Not only Parliament, but the English in general I suppose


          True, Glenn Beck isn't what we'd call a "smart" bomb.
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        • Author by canaanxing9025 (January 21, 2011 2:37 pm ET)
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          progusa:

          As in: England, fix yourself! You have a monarchy! You can't make a decent cup of coffee! And your teeth!!!!!!!
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          • Author by ScienceBuff (January 21, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
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            Can we have a follow-up with Limbaugh doing a bad British accent?
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            • Author by canaanxing9025 (January 21, 2011 3:04 pm ET)
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              ScienceBuff:

              Limbaugh will never come to Beck's defense. He and Hannity will be delighted by this.
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          • Author by progusa (January 21, 2011 3:41 pm ET)
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            cannanxing - Yep, that and "See what progressive socialism has done. Your medical system sucks!
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      • Author by bootyprof (January 21, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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        You are Glenn Beck... freaky.

        BTW, I totally agree and we all see it coming.

        Beck: "Now even the radical PROGRESSIVES in the British Parliment are trying to silence me and ALL American conservatives in the process. Silence me... Silence me... Silence me (sarcastic tone and laugh). They will NEVER silence me because I speak for freedom and the TRUTH!!! The TRUTH is like a cancer to these (fill in your choice of Marxist, Nazi, Fascist, Leninist, or some form of Mao)! Silence me... (sacastic tone and laugh)!

        Cut to commercial.
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      • Author by Alone in Texas (January 21, 2011 5:30 pm ET)
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        This is not going to go down well with Michael Savage, he is no longer the only one being singled out by the UK.
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    • Author by progusa (January 21, 2011 2:17 pm ET)
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      "If Glenn Beck were here today I would say to him: "Glenn Beck, you are a bigot. You bring shame to your country, not because you lack balance, but because you are an unthinking buffoon."

      It's hard to improve upon this.
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      • Author by Chilidog (January 21, 2011 2:21 pm ET)
           
        I like that. it's about time someone called it like it is.
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      • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:21 pm ET)
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        Glenn Beck would interrupt him, pat Dr. Ablow's knee, and say with a sideways glance to Dr. Ablow, "He's going to smear me, isn't he?"
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        • Author by sociocrat (January 23, 2011 5:18 pm ET)
             
          Glenn "I couldnt finish college" Beck smears himself everytime he opens his mouth.
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    • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:18 pm ET)
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      Hmm... This is a difficult one; listening to this I definitely agree that Glenn Beck is flat out mad and that he is absolutely can be a bigot. I hate to say that they are probably going to bring a crapstorm down on themselves for jumping on Beck like this, not that I disagree at all and Beck is DEAD wrong on Soros.

      But do I think they should ban Fox News from the air? I don't... I just don't, I can't in good conscience say "Yes, ban that guy, I hate him!" Because it's the hardest thing to put up with speech you disagree with or that is flat out wrong.

      Some of those lines, like the "Women are psychos" were obviously jokes, that's not fair to attribute that to him; many people have said that... Ugh, I almost puked defending him...

      The rest of those, actually are pretty accurate though. But I still can't say "BAN HIM!" I can never say that; it just feels wrong, it's against what I believe. And I almost feel bad for that but to allow someone you cannot stand, who lies, cheats and is a racist, anti-science and all that; to still speak is what freedom of speech is, sadly sometimes, about.
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      • Author by NoTrueScotsman (January 21, 2011 2:22 pm ET)
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        I agree; no matter how much I disagree with what he says, how he says it, or his intentions, I can't bring myself to wish for the censorship of anyone. I'm pretty sure the UK has a stricter code when it comes to broadcasting, though.
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        • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:25 pm ET)
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          I would be and I say this honestly, a bit saddened if they did pull Glenn Beck off the air in the U.K., not because I am supporter of his but because I just don't think it's right.

          They do have stricter codes there, absolutely and I think Glenn Beck deserves to be called out on the nonsense he spews as do his bosses.

          This is also going to result in a storm of mockery from the Conservatives we haven't seen in a long, long time and I think it's going to wear on me a bit when it gets started.

          Ugh, I can almost imagine Pat faking a British accent now and talking about how they are all socialists and hate America and freedom... God help us all.
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          • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:28 pm ET)
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            Now that is absolutely not to say that if all his advertisers cut ties and left him in the dust, I wouldn't support it; that's fine with me but I can't in good conscience allow a government to silence him.
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            • Author by truth4me (January 22, 2011 3:19 pm ET)
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              Hey, I hope they DO shut him down. Many people in Europe already think we're a bunch of stupid goobers. Seeing and listening to him would only make them think they're correct.
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        • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:35 pm ET)
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          While I'm all for free speech, and I feel we walk on tenuous grounds when we ask for Glenn Beck to be silenced, I also feel that words have consequences, and when those consequences result in violence, then we reach a point where we have to ask: what is more important, protecting his right to say whatever he feels? Or protecting the lives of people who become victims of his unhinged mob?

          It's not an easy question, because I do think it's a Pandora's Box, but we existed quite successfully for decades under the Fairness Doctrine. I don't think we're going to find a Republican who is going to argue that the first years of the Reagan administration in which the Fairness Doctrine was still in effect were horrible years in our nation where the Reagan Administration dismantled freedom and liberty and quashed the first amendment.

          I don't want Glenn Beck silenced (well, I'd like it if he went away, but due to disinterest) but I would like to see him compelled to have to face his accusers in a neutral setting.
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      • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:30 pm ET)
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        This is in England, they actually have laws against the kind of speech Beck uses. That's why Michael Wiener Savage is preventing from entering the UK. They found his speech to be illegal.

        You are attempting to apply American laws on the British.

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        • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:35 pm ET)
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          No, no, I understand fully that their laws are different and I respect that, I still, ideologically don't like it.
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          • Author by Alone in Texas (January 21, 2011 5:41 pm ET)
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            I feel sympathy with your concern, but I would add that free speech, as a right, also comes with responsibilities. The best way that I can explain it is to use an analogy: if I drive a vehicle, which is in my right, I also have to follow certain rules. Having said this, however, I would rather Beck went out in flames and became a joke to everyone.
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        • Author by Murfam4 (January 21, 2011 3:13 pm ET)
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          In Canada we have laws against "hate speech" and "hate crimes" (ie: assault against homosexuals for instance - if you commited that assault solely because the person is a homosexual)and they carry stronger consequences than "non hate" crimes.
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      • Author by WilliamHolden (January 21, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
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        I understand that dilemma. How to handle free speech when the free speech is used for offering an opinion against democracy and free speech?

        Not all countries have choosen the same solution on that one. One famous example is Germany where for obvious historical reasons the sensitivity for hate speech is higher and restricted to protect the democracy.
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    • Author by sociocrat (January 21, 2011 2:18 pm ET)
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      I have a new hero, British MP, Tom Watson, Bravo!
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    • Author by DAWUSS (January 21, 2011 2:19 pm ET)
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      And unlike Michael Savage, Glenn Beck can enter the UK
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      • Author by cugagcmu805031 (January 21, 2011 2:49 pm ET)
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        Savage isn't the only one who is no longer welcome in the UK. Pastor Jones the nutso pastor in FL who was so instrumental in ginning up anti-Muslim sentiment regarding Park 51 last year has also been banned. To put it lightly, he's not taking the news too well.
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      • Author by PeaceOut-Snuggums (January 21, 2011 3:39 pm ET)
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        That may or may not be true - since, to my knowledge, Glenda hasn't applied for a Visa to GB recently. Based on the above Parliament discussion, I would not be surprised to see Glenda blackballed in GB.
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    • Author by epkklk851 (January 21, 2011 2:19 pm ET)
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      Cor Blimey! Glennie is not going to like this! He may put Savage Mikey to shame! Coo. And did you notice, the UK seems to have a Fairness Doctrine of their own, and it's still in place? Where are the death camps? Where are Teapatriots being shot in the streets? Thank you, Mr. Watson, you do your district proud.
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      • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:23 pm ET)
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        Well, it's obvious what a cesspool the U.K. is due to their broadcasting codes.
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      • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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        Putting Michael Savage to shame? That'd be a hard fought battle, not many people are as disgusting as Savage.
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (January 21, 2011 2:21 pm ET)
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      I wish just one of our Congressmen had the same courage, and could articulate how filthy and divisive Beck's rhetoric is, as well as this MP.

      Honestly, for a moment there, I felt like I was in church.
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    • Author by David2012 (January 21, 2011 2:22 pm ET)
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      Glenn may have a bit of a problem here, old sports.

      There's no First Amendment in the U.K.
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    • Author by MagCynic (January 21, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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      Is this the new template? That Glenn Beck is anti-semitic? How long will this line of attack last before we move on to another one? Racism didn't stick; anti-semitism won't stick.

      What's next? Pedophilia? Can we somehow paint Glenn Beck as a pedophile? How about that? Maybe that will finally get him off the air after so many failed attempts.
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      • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
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        Actually it's no a template, antisemitism and racism are the same thing and it's been sticking for a while now, I know quite a few people who think Glenn Beck is a
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        • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:27 pm ET)
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          Wow I really mucked that post up grammatically and I even left the word off at the end. lol
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          • Author by The New Pilgrims (January 21, 2011 2:31 pm ET)
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            I like MagCynic's thinking here, where he alleges Glenn Beck is a pedophile. I'm not aware of any evidence that Glenn Beck is a pedophile, but I'm not gonna argue with MagCynic since he apparently has the goods on this.
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            • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:33 pm ET)
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              Excellent point!
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            • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:35 pm ET)
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              I know. You know, Mag seems to know EXACTLY what Beck is thinking at all times about all subjects. He tells us that. Wow, whodathunkit? (credit to Dottie from The Group by Mary McCarthy!)
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              • Author by WilliamHolden (January 21, 2011 2:42 pm ET)
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                Not sure about that. Mag was contradicting himself a bit on the white culture remark by Glenn Beck.
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            • Author by MagCynic (January 21, 2011 2:41 pm ET)
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              A lack of evidence certainly isn't a reason NOT to call him a pedophile, right?

              I mean people were blaming the Arizona shootings on Sarah Palin without any evidence, too.
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              • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 2:42 pm ET)
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                Nobody I know of blames Sarah Palin for anything; just her silly gun-centric rhetoric.
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                • Author by MagCynic (January 21, 2011 3:35 pm ET)
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                  If you're blaming her rhetoric you are blaming her.
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                  • Author by mjh (January 21, 2011 4:09 pm ET)
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                    "If you're blaming her rhetoric you are blaming her." -- MagCynic


                    Well, hell -- THE RHETORIC CAME OUT OF HER PIE-HOLE, DIDN'T IT?

                    Gotta love wingnuts and their "personal responsibility" . . .


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                    • Author by MagCynic (January 21, 2011 4:15 pm ET)
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                      You need to read the posts I'm responding to to make sense of what I'm saying.

                      cindermaker: "Nobody I know of blames Sarah Palin for anything; just her silly gun-centric rhetoric."

                      me: "If you're blaming her rhetoric you are blaming her. "

                      Do you see how your response to me makes no sense now?
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                      • Author by cindermaker (January 21, 2011 4:51 pm ET)
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                        Sarah Palin didn't make that map, so no, I guess I'm blaming her staff and a nutty dude who decided to go out and kill people, so while not directly responsible, still she contributed to a climate, or her staff did, what have you. I do not and will not hold her responsible unless she herself asks someone to kill someone else or shoots somebody herself.
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                      • Author by truth4me (January 22, 2011 3:23 pm ET)
                           
                        No, you're the one who doesn't make sense.
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                  • Author by Lizinbklyn (January 21, 2011 4:26 pm ET)
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                    I personally don't know anyone who didn't think of Sarah Palin's targeted cross-hairs map after Congresswoman Giffords was shot in the head . .

                    Especially after hearing Ms. Giffords' own comments about Ms. Palin's cross-hairs map outlining her fears knowing she was a target because of her vote in favor of healthcare . .
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              • Author by magnolialover (January 21, 2011 2:45 pm ET)
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                I mean people were blaming the Arizona shootings on Sarah Palin without any evidence, too.

                Can you show us where this happened? Because, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people never ever said anything remotely close to what you think they said.
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                • Author by MagCynic (January 21, 2011 3:37 pm ET)
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                  Can you show us where this happened? Because, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people never ever said anything remotely close to what you think they said.
                  And you would be correct. The vast majority of the people in the media didn't blame Palin.

                  Anybody who brought up Palin's "crosshair" map was indirectly blaming her for inciting Jared Lougner. Why else bring it up without any evidence that the shooter did in fact see the map and was in fact inspired by it?

                  Surely you wouldn't ask me to cite evidence of people referring to the crosshair map for you to believe it?
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                  • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 4:39 pm ET)
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                    What they were saying was that he may have been INFLUENCED by the absolute plethora of hate speech, vitriol, and violent rhetoric out there. No one said it caused his actions, no one blamed anyone for the tragedy but Loughner himself.

                    Initially, no person and no organization was named. Instantly, the entire right wing propaganda machine got themselves in a tizzy, claiming that they had been singled out by a generic declamation of vitriolic rhetoric. This made me think that maybe they felt like they were the only ones spewing hate. As we say in my neck of the woods: "bit dog barks first".

                    Then someone dug up that old footage of Ms Giffords pointing out that map and how it would have consequences.

                    Then the right, who initially indicated that even they thought that they were the only ones spewing hate, started claiming that "both sides do it".
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                  • Author by The_Cat (January 21, 2011 4:40 pm ET)
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                    You don't have to put crosshair in quotes. They were crosshairs. No point in being wishy-washy about it. The map was brought up as an example of violent rhetoric/imagery in the media, an example that, just coincidentally, one of the victims of the shooting had spoken out against some months before. That's called news.

                    I didn't here anyone say the shooting was Palin's fault. Got a question for you, MagCynic:

                    If somebody says that the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery, is that just an opinion, or is it an inaccuracy?
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                  • Author by Maimon (January 23, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
                       
                    No, they are guilty of pointing out how she uses violent metaphors and ballistic imagery. These things lead to a negative atmosphere.She is not directly guilty of anything other than being a fearmonger and s sham.

                    Have you looked the rise in vandalism and violence agsint muslims in the US? Funny cause so many at Fox dislike muslims and Islam. They constantly
                    refer to alot of muslims as "Jihadists".

                    Have you looked a gun sales? How they rise everytime someone on Fox or the right says" Obama is coming for your guns" Let's not talk about the guy who killed some police over the issue.Let's not mention that we have 5 times the gun deaths/per capita of Canada, or 10 times that of U.K./per capita.

                    I also love how they claim crime is down because of gun sales. There is as much proof of that as there is that the Az shooter was influenced by the rightwing rhetoric. So you 2nd amendment addicts know, crime statistic are being manipulated. In Dallas, Tx we had a rash of break-ins, 12 in one apartment. It was labeled ONE crime because they suspect it was the same guys.this is how some crime stats get "altered" to suit political purposes.

                    In another instance we had 15 seperately owned cars vandalized on one street, and only one crime.

                    So is crime down from gun ownership or is it being manipulated so some can justify their jobs?

                    Funny, we think that only other countries and their citizens are affected by rhetoric.

                    Free speech is a responsiblity that most of America is not ready to handle. The Founding Fathers said we needed to be educated in order for our Republic to be strong.

                    Stop the Lords of Illusion at Fox.
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                • Author by akmikeus (January 21, 2011 7:58 pm ET)
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                  Olbertard on the night of the shooting. He had a "special show" just for this exact purpose. And once again, he had on some black dude (can't recall the weasel's name) who agreed with every point Keith made including the Palin crosshairs reference.
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              • Author by The New Pilgrims (January 21, 2011 3:17 pm ET)
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                Many blamed 9-11 on the entire Islamic religion without any evidence, too.
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                • Author by MagCynic (January 21, 2011 3:38 pm ET)
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                  Yes, I'm sure there were some sorry souls that did blame Islam in general on 9/11. That has nothing to do with what we're talking about now.

                  There is at least two people on Earth that blame Bush for their kidney stones. What are the odds that that statement is true, too?
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                  • Author by The_Cat (January 21, 2011 4:41 pm ET)
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                    Got a question for you, MagCynic:

                    Who was responsible for Major Hasan shooting people at Fort Hood? Don't forget! He was a Muslim...
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              • Author by PeaceOut-Snuggums (January 21, 2011 3:44 pm ET)
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                Actually, a lack of evidence neither proves nor disproves a theory; however, since you alleged the pedeophile gig and Glenda has yet to deny it, then I suppose (applying Glenda's rules of no response elevates the statement to truth), it is now proven that he is, as you noted, a pedeophile. Have him give us a call telling us he is not, then we will address it. Till then, so long as the phone doesn't ring, we will let your theory stand.
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                • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 4:42 pm ET)
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                  I have a pink phone on my desk especially for him to call. He knows the number, all he has to do is call and give me his side of the story, and I will post it here, in full.

                  The phone hasn't rung once.
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              • Author by mjh (January 21, 2011 4:06 pm ET)
                   
                "A lack of evidence certainly isn't a reason NOT to call him a pedophile, right?" -- MagCynic, Beck's Intern



                Nobody called him one except you, Mag.


                "I mean people were blaming the Arizona shootings on Sarah Palin without any evidence, too." -- MagCynic, Beck's Intern


                Um, no -- there was some . . .

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                • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 4:46 pm ET)
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                  I had forgotten about that, thanks for the link. Odd that Sarah "half-governor" Palin would point out someone else's incompletion of a job. Of course, Obama did move on to bigger and better things. Palin apparently forgot all about her obligation and duty to the people of Alaska to go dictate a book.
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              • Author by So Fain (January 21, 2011 4:18 pm ET)
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                The "evidence" says Beck is a bigot, a racist and a perpetuator of hate speech. The evidence is all over this site in his own words.

                You are in love with a nasty man who is an embarrassment to this country.
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            • Author by stefiz (January 21, 2011 6:22 pm ET)
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              jake5 should prove Mag wrong ...
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      • Author by magnolialover (January 21, 2011 2:29 pm ET)
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        He has proven time and again that he is indeed anti semitic.

        He has proven time and again that he is racist, or has said racist things.

        They stuck. Just not to folks like yourself who give him a pass on, well, almost everything.

        Why not call him a pedophile? Beck calls people things just as bad as that on his show, like Francis Piven, who he said was inciting violence in the streets of America (she isn't by the way).
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        • Author by Imbecile (January 21, 2011 2:40 pm ET)
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          He has proven time and again that he is racist, or has said racist things.


          Only someone who is irretrievably stupid would say racist things if they weren't racist. And since Glenn Beck loves to brag that he's not even a bit stupid, I guess we know where that leaves him.
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        • Author by MagCynic (January 21, 2011 2:47 pm ET)
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          Oh, sure. She "says" she's against violence, but she'll give you every reason possible FOR violence and to act in violence.

          Wow. That seems very familiar for some reason.
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          • Author by all your eyes (January 21, 2011 3:30 pm ET)
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            Remember how Beck had to repeatedly admonish his audience not to bring ANY signs to the 8/28 rally? Because naturally, if they did, their racism and ignorance would be on full display...

            Ever notice how, after a 20-minute screeching Beck rant about how the progressives are just like the Nazis and there's a revolution coming and you better be ready for it, he will admonish his audience against using violence?
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          • Author by So Fain (January 21, 2011 4:20 pm ET)
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            Mag, you have now been promoted to the biggest dbag troll on this site. Congrats! Seahawks worked hard for that title!
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      • Author by epkklk851 (January 21, 2011 2:30 pm ET)
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        Mags, it's obvious that you're not Jewish. I don't know a single Jew who listens to Glenn Beck. The anti-Semitic remarks are already stuck to him like glue.

        "What's next? Pedophilia? Can we somehow paint Glenn Beck as a pedophile? How about that? Maybe that will finally get him off the air after so many failed attempts."

        Glennie said something like that a number of months ago. Given his past patterns of telling people exactly what he's doing, even in the middle of a con, by claiming the other side will do it, could there be some truth to that? Is he saying it in case something comes out to expose him, a pre-emptive strike, so to speak? Do I believe he is a Pedophile? No, and I wouldn't believe it until it was proven in court. (I actually believe in the Judicial system. It isn't always right, but it works well enough most of the time.)
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      • Author by progusa (January 21, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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        Nope, it's not new at all. He's been anti-semitic all along. He also seems to have a deep-seated hatred for black people or the black culture.

        I'm not saying he doesn't like black people. He has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist as well as anti-semitic.
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      • Author by bintx (January 21, 2011 2:33 pm ET)
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        No, it's just fact, based upon some of his recent schticks.

        BTW, this is from the UK. They have much stricter laws on hate speech there. That's why Michael Savage has been put on the list of people who are not allowed entry into the UK. Savage screamed about his "First Amendment Rights," but he has none in the UK.
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      • Author by WilliamHolden (January 21, 2011 2:39 pm ET)
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        You will never get it.

        The question isnt about if Glenn Beck is an racist and anti-Semite by heart.

        The point is Glenn Beck is broadcoasting racist and anti-Semite stereotypes and they serve as important pillars of his propaganda.

        Personally, I doubt he has any convictions at all, we will learn if he is or not at some point. Not that important, or decisive in the big picture.

        The really imporant thing is that he keeps using, exploring and repeating racial and anti-Semitic sterotypes.
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      • Author by Mr. Katanga (January 21, 2011 2:41 pm ET)
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        Pedophilia
        Hmmm...well, Glenn has never come out and said he IS NOT one...all he needs to do is come out and prove he isn't a Pedophile....but until he does than he is sure as sheet guilty of it, the sick-o.

        Come on, Glenn....all you need to do is come out and come clean
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      • Author by cugagcmu805031 (January 21, 2011 2:57 pm ET)
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        The charges of racism and anti-semitism stuck. You may not think they stuck because you tend to defend Beck no matter what he says. I know the claim of racism stuck because none of the other blacks I know care for Beck. I know the charge of anti-semitism stuck because I'm a member of several Jewish organizations that have ongoing campaigns against Beck. Whenever Beck's name is mentioned when I'm with other black Americans, the immediate reaction is one of extreme distaste. It's easy to dismiss these claims because you're not a member of the group that Beck has targeted---yet.
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    • Author by magnolialover (January 21, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
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      Man, that was awesome!
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    • Author by WilliamHolden (January 21, 2011 2:31 pm ET)
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      Excellent observations by Tom Watson though I would not agree in every detail with him.
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    • Author by Chilidog (January 21, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
         
      Hear, Hear!!!
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    • Author by shaggles (January 21, 2011 2:33 pm ET)
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      This should be good. I predict several long rants with chalkboards linking Great Britain to Hitler, Marx, Stalin, ACORN and Satan. Followed by a special about how British imperialism led to Communist China becoming the dominate economy today.
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      • Author by canaanxing9025 (January 21, 2011 2:52 pm ET)
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        shaggles:

        Your bad, you forgot Soros.
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        • Author by shaggles (January 21, 2011 4:01 pm ET)
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          Well I said Hilter. He Soros were best buds, right? ;)
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        • Author by Conchobhar (January 21, 2011 4:20 pm ET)
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          Do you think Becky will forgive Obama's "anti-colonialism" now that the British have treated him (Beck) worse than they treated Obama's grandfather?
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    • Author by Spooky Dooooooooood (January 21, 2011 2:59 pm ET)
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      "Glenn Beck, you are a bigot. You bring shame to your country, not because you lack balance, but because you are an unthinking buffoon."
      That pretty much covers it!
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    • Author by WilliamHolden (January 21, 2011 3:00 pm ET)
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      I need to put up my longer post again here.

      It adresses the issue at hand, and I hope the ones who have read and seen it before, dont mind. I dont intend to pull that comment out every day. Maybe I will do an update and add some points when time allows it though ....

      I would also like to see a comparison between Beck and the Nazis.

      Not that I think he is one, but he is certainly applying a lot of methods and techniques they have used.

      One must never forget that the propaganda machine of the Nazis were the first historical example of the expertly manipulation of mass media. Way more sophisticated than in the Soviet Union though technically totalitarian regimes have regardless of their message used similar patterns in their efforts to keep their system stable.

      The first precondition for an effective propaganda machine is to take away the status of political rivals as respectable competitors and turn them into enemies. They are no longer part of a fair political process who you might disagree with. They are enemies with the goal of destruction the country.

      Over and over again the Nazis kept telling the Germans social, commie, Jews wanted to destroy Germany. This was a core message repeated by the Nazis from the beginnings.

      Since that did not make sense at all (who would really want to destroy a country?) they fabricated the lie of an international conspiracy of Judaism. The classical expression of the the anti-Semitic stereotype of Jews controlling the world. Beck reached the well prepared peak of using one of the most transparent and well know anti-Semitic stereotypes than he <revealed< George Soros as <puppet master<. A metaphor very well known to Nazis and other antisemitic political groups throughout history.

      All historical events, everyone and everybody falls under this lunatic premiss in place. Any event is being connected to a big plan of the puppet master as is every person, especially the politicians of the other site.

      President Obamas is nothing more than a puppet of George Soros taking any credibility away from the President. In translation it means nothing else than a black President is fulfilling the agenda of a Jew. It can hardly get more racist than that though Beck is smart enough to occupy a figure like Dr. King who by any account would never ever come nowhere near Beck. The subtext always being Obama cann´t be The American President who is working for the good of the people.

      Various other images are very often used in this context. Cancer, the mighty octopus whose tentacles reach and can be found everywhere, or the infamous description as <parasites> who <suck> the blood out of the body/nation.

      So now we have no more opposing political opponent. We have to deal with the worst of the worst. Evil, satanic, destructive, sinister jewish commies and liberals. Notably, attributing the worst characteristics and every opposing political view, no matter however contradicting they are, is justified by an asserted conspiracy of limitless proportions. Liberals, commies, gays, socialists, etc. is just all the same thing. They all want to destroy the country.

      The stakes have been raised to the highest level. The conflict is about life and death of the country creating the alertness and fear that so effectively keeps the own political group coherent, mobilized and not the last radicalized. Shiny example is the outrageous lie about the“death panels". They are here to get you, get your money, your house, everything, including your life.

      Just as much as the Nazis envisioned skillfully the death of the German Nation to invoke fear also Beck envisions the death of the American Nation for his audience. Beck feeds from many sources of course, he also likes to use the biblical apocalypse scenario. The world is coming to an end. He even advices to stock up food. For these purposes a whole product line is available, naturally.

      One very effective technique of the Nazis was to discredit all Media as liberal, jewish controlled fabrication centers. And really, the assumption that all Media besides Fox has anything to report which could be true is widely rejected by the viewers of Fox. It heightens the own credibility in saying I am telling you the truth. I am the only one able and willing to give you the truth.

      The acceptance of Beck as godlike speaker of the truth is key. Here again Beck uses the old communication technique which all charlatans use. Yes, he´s smart enough to mix some seemingly objective remarks into his manipulation (Look for yourself), but that is only prove how good he is at his job.

      Only very view viewers will actually take the time and effort it takes to study history from various sources. It does not seem necessary since, you got it, Beck is trustworthy. He feels rightfully save enough to even reveal his techniques to a degree without the fear the audience might connect them to him. They even use formulations “Find all the ways to get your Glenn fix throughout the day" on his webpage. Like it is a medicine or something.

      In a recent entry they have the following headline: >Francis Fox Piven: Calls for violence.<

      One headline and all propaganda techniques in it. A 78-year old Professor is one face of the conspiracy. How classy! The offered clip is an edit of various remarks of hers which do not back Beck up on his claim if you listen to it. Again, Beck and his team are convinced that most of their viewers wont even bother to listen or even if they do just hear something she does not say. She is the stand in for the intellectual, educated, commie, liberal Jew the Nazis liked to attack in general or label their political opponents. I have to say the repeated attacks on Professor Piven makes me fear for her life.

      The reactions and comments of many on glennbeck.com and foxnation reflect the message is well received and understood.

      There is an shocking amount of mentioning of death and weapons, a shocking amount of people threatening directly or indirectly with the use of weapons, a shocking amount of describing liberals as mentally handicaped people and what not, and not the least a shocking amount of anti-Semitic and racist remarks.

      P.S. The segment about Francis Fox Piven the other day was another prove for many points here mentioned.
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      • Author by canaanxing9025 (January 21, 2011 3:25 pm ET)
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        William Holden:

        Thoughtful post. What angers me most is the way all of Fox News discredits other news outlets. Some of the commentary is sophmoric like:
        "Nobody watches MSNBC", or "nobody reads the blog Media Matters.", and Palin's favorite: "the lamestream media."

        However, some of the ways they discredit is by bigotry (I am not just talking about race, but about anybody who doesn't live like you do, or think like you do) and lying. As you said, most people will not take the time to check out the facts, the people who take Fox seriously, either are too bigoted or cannot conceive that our nation has usually been progressive (sometimes more than at other times).

        Our greatest strength has always been our ability to be forward thinking. We reject the notion that we are perfect, and that we need to keep shaping the nation so that it meets the needs of as many citizens as possible.

        Sadly, many believe they live in a nation that never existed.

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        • Author by WilliamHolden (January 21, 2011 3:54 pm ET)
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          Thanks. I agree.

          Pretty much everything about it angers me. Not the least it angers me how well it works and how effective they - as in the whole FoxNetwork- are. I have said that several times. I dont like it all, but they are experts and pros at it.

          I am very found of the Founding Fathers and admire them for establishing and framing a democracy. I know not perfect by our standards, but nevertheless a huge achievement in the history of mankind. To see these brilliant minds and thinkers being reduced to extras in the Glenn-Beck-Propaganda-Show upsets me a lot, tbh.
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        • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
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          I think that the biggest problem is that most people believe that print and broadcast media are held to a standard of truth, and do not realize that there is no such mandate. Most people do not know that there is no law stating that any news outlet has to be truthful.
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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
               
            Apparently there is one in the UK.
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          • Author by WilliamHolden (January 22, 2011 11:31 am ET)
               
            I am not sure about that. FoXViewers tend to distrust other news sources. That is indeed a problem. I think they have very succesfully brainswashed their viewers. Especially Beck. See my post below.
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      • Author by mary59 (January 21, 2011 3:36 pm ET)
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        Thanks for re-posting.

        It highlights the fact that Beck (and others) are deflecting their own propaganda techniques by accusing others of what they themselves are doing.
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      • Author by Major Tom (January 21, 2011 5:44 pm ET)
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        "I would also like to see a comparison between Beck and the Nazis."


        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/4/30/861935/-Achtung-Glenn-Beck!-Becks-Nazi-Roots-Revealed


        here ya go.
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        • Author by WilliamHolden (January 21, 2011 6:41 pm ET)
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          Thank you. Very good article. Spot on.
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        • Author by SolomonKane (January 23, 2011 6:20 pm ET)
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          Excellent link. The author of that has really done their homework and presents in an irrefutable fashion what many of us have known for at least 2 years: We are facing a well financed and orchestrated direct injection of fascist ideology into our national political discussion. Beck is a leader here but is by no means alone.

          The "Nazi Tourettes" syndrome is a mere rebranding exercise for these same old hateful ideas. The labels are different but the core ideas are exactly the same. It's very dangerous and very very dishonest. We need people in the "elite liberal lamestream media" to confront and expose this dialog for what it really is.
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    • Author by canaanxing9025 (January 21, 2011 3:00 pm ET)
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      Oh dear. It appears that Tom Watson is a member of the Labour Party who called for the resignation of Tony Blair.

      OK, here it comes - he is a socialist who called for George Bush's closest ally in the Iraq War to resign.
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    • Author by AprilFools (January 21, 2011 3:01 pm ET)
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      Yes!!! Thank you Tom Watson. That was spot on!
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    • Author by syrabell (January 21, 2011 3:13 pm ET)
         
      I really wish someone here in the United States had the intestinal fortitude to repeat the last to statement made by the MP.

      If Glenn Beck were here today I would say to him: "Glenn Beck, you are a bigot. You bring shame to your country, not because you lack balance, but because you are an unthinking buffoon. Rupert Murdoch tolerates you because you are his useful idiot. He uses you to get a foothold in the doors of the powerful. Like his phone-hacking journalists and his pugnacious leader-writers in Australia, you are expendable. Let us hope he disposes of your nasty brand of intolerance sooner rather than later."

      It is Rupert and James Murdoch who should answer for bigots such as Glenn Beck and phone hackers such as Clive Goodman and Glen Mulcaire. They employ them. They promote them. They are responsible for them. It is time for thinking citizens in the United Kingdom, the United States and Australia to unite against the Murdochs' vicious brand of politics that masquerades as publishing.

      It needs to be said.
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    • Author by Deagle (January 21, 2011 3:54 pm ET)
         
      Glen Beck is against the established order of things, so of course he's gonna have the establishment come out in protest too some of his radical speaking points. For another, Beck isn't a politician, he's an entertainer, like "homer simpson". And he is speaking to those that have Homer Simpson in them. It's truly an art that he has obviously mastered. To come out against him and put him into a broader spectrum is purely asinine on the part of all those who can not communicate in his realm. And another thing, the true Homer Simpson people of this world could give a rats ass as far as looking to him as a leader. His followers that show up at his events are some of the goofiest MF's in the world. I doubt very highly that what Glen Beck says should be looked upon as anything more than conspiracy theorist mumbo jumbo. People like this Sarah Palin shouldn't quit her day job. She should just rack up the money and fix her relationship with her husband. Printing news like this is no more interesting than finding out who the next villain is going to be in the next Batman movie. It holds very little weight in our society and should be treated as such. Or do we like adding fuel to the fire? Following trends is a waste of time! but whatever lmao I'm not stupid.
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    • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 4:11 pm ET)
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      I find it very interesting that in Britain, broadcasters are required to be truthful, while here in America, there is no such requirement.

      I would imagine that Newscorp is extremely happy about that lack.
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      • Author by So Fain (January 21, 2011 4:25 pm ET)
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        And I'm sure Newscorp will throw extensive resources in removing that requirement from the UK's laws with an exhaustive smear campaign.
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      • Author by Conchobhar (January 21, 2011 4:29 pm ET)
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        You would be right.
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        • Author by Conchobhar (January 21, 2011 4:31 pm ET)
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          The above is in response to CI's,
          "I would imagine that Newscorp is extremely happy about that lack."
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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 5:12 pm ET)
               
            Yes, I have read several versions of that story. I have also seen videos from both of the reporters talking about it, and the original docket information from the court.

            It is extremely odd that our founding fathers, who seem to be held in almost god-like reverence by some of these right wing buffoons, even attributed omniscience, would forget to include something about truthfulness from the press in the Constitution. My only guess would be that they never imagined that a free press would outright lie, though how they, in their omniscience, could have missed that, I have no clue.

            This is another of those little things that destroys that "if it isn't in the Constitution, it isn't legal" argument.
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            • Author by akmikeus (January 21, 2011 7:54 pm ET)
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              Well if you don't like the founding fathers or what america stands for, then get the f^^K out moron.

              Chavez will accept your ungrateful azz with open arms.

              But you wont because your a big puzzy, who's probably has never even been pst the county line.
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              • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 8:33 pm ET)
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                You are extremely stupid, aren't you? You seem to have somewhat less reading comprehension than my 5 year old. Where did you get the idea that I don't like the founding fathers or what America stands for? Oh, was it because I don't blindly follow along with what anyone tells me they meant? I don't blindly follow your religion either, and I actually know that the moon, not any god, causes the tides.

                I have been all over the planet in service to MY country, so anytime you want to come escort me out of it, you feel free to give it a shot. Bring friends. Lots of them.
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                • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 8:34 pm ET)
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                  Oh, and may I suggest that you make this the time that you come armed?
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              • Author by curiousindependent (January 23, 2011 12:16 am ET)
                   
                I didn't think so.
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              • Author by n'est-ce pas (January 23, 2011 11:54 am ET)
                   
                Lying liar, did you go out in -100 degree wind chill again? How's that wind chill stuff work again? Could you tell us all your thoughts on that?
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    • Author by Avicenna (January 21, 2011 4:36 pm ET)
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      I am not in favor of the U.K.'s media restrictions; however, that is their deal.

      I do agree with the British legislator, in that Beck is an unthinking buffoon.

      Beck is an anti-Semite, no matter his professed support of Israel. He probably only supports it because he sees Israel as anti-Arab, anti-Muslim and anti-Persian when, all cultures that make Beck's fundamentalist Mormonism and evangelical Christian followers bristle with fear, superstition, prejudice and racism.

      Of course, I'm generalizing. Sue me.
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    • Author by Deagle (January 21, 2011 4:58 pm ET)
         
      The proper spelling is Anti-Semitic - with an "I" not an "E". It's not Anti-Semetic it's Anti-Semitic. Ok? That was fun.
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    • Author by mjh (January 21, 2011 5:08 pm ET)
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      Bravo, Mr. Watson, Bravo.

      I am in complete agreement with everything you said, except for a minor issue with the following:

      "I think that most colleagues would agree that those comments are highly alarming and absolutely inappropriate for broadcast on any show, let alone one that positions itself as a news show.
      ...
      "That type of journalism is dangerous and can have wide-ranging negative effects on society."


      Just as bintx said upthread that we cannot apply American laws regarding freedom of speech to the UK, we should not apply journalistic standards to Glenn Beck -- because BECK IS NOT A JOURNALIST.

      He doesn't have the training, education, experience, or, I believe, the desire to become one.

      He's a self-admitted rodeo clown; an attention-grabber who {correctly} believes the First Amendment gives him the right to spew BS and smear, but {incorrectly} thinks it entitles him to a network to spew it on, an audience to hear it, and a climate free of rebuttal.

      Additionally, like other far right media blowhards, he thinks withdrawal of any {corporate} support is an attempt to "silence" him; not realizing that, while it is the First Amendment that gives him the right to shout, it is public law that regulates where and when, and to an extent what he may shout, and market forces that determine how long he'll get to shout to how many. He is otherwise free to scream at the four walls of his basement all day long.

      But he's no journalist -- that's his, and his most ardent defenders like MagCynic's, fallback excuse.


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      • Author by curiousindependent (January 21, 2011 5:14 pm ET)
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        Don't you just love how Beck and others love the idea of an unfettered free market right up to the point where they are affected by it?
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    • Author by Avicenna (January 21, 2011 5:19 pm ET)
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      My Seven-Step Plan for Glenn Beck

      1) Admit your glasses do not make you smarter.
      2) Admit that you have no control over lying.
      3) Admit that you have not successfully completed that other 12-step program (you know, the one for drug addicts)
      4) Admit that you can meet thousands of famous people, but that does not make you smarter, especially when some of them are actually infamous with white-supremacist ties
      5) Admit your anti-Semitism
      6) Admit that college doesn't make someone as stupid as you smarter, so that's why you were never graduated from one
      7) Admit that you achieved what you wanted: to be rich and famous

      All this attention makes those days of hateful radio bile that you spewed seem sedate, doesn't it, Glennie?
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    • Author by Major Tom (January 21, 2011 5:41 pm ET)
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      I just love it. I've read it 5 times I think.
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    • Author by fo3angels (January 21, 2011 7:29 pm ET)
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      This makes me wonder if the EU are going to yank the licenses of News Corp for Sky and BSkyB. WE protect freedom of speech, even when it is reprehensible, and the freedom of the press, even when reprehensible, but it seems that our EU cousins do not have such mechanisms in place for the press to just do whatever they want.
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    • Author by Maimon (January 22, 2011 12:40 am ET)
         
      The right has managed to balance the anti-semitic position with the philo-semitic view. It is not new. Many american christians support Israel, but view jews as "imperfect" or "in need of "perfection". These two terms essentially mean jews need to convert to christianity.

      The same christians believe that the US is the "New Zion" and that they are the true "House of Israel". Somehow they have inherited the Covenant from the jews.

      The cognitive dissonance and the doublespeak is awesome to watch. Israel simply accepts the money they send, but are very cautious. I'm wouldn't doubt that they monitor many christians groups that travel to Israel.

      Just crack open the Tim Lahaye eschatological nightmare called " The Left Behin". It is the worst series I've ever read, but it revealing about how about 30 million americans view the world.

      Beck is no different with his radical mormon "White Horse " theology.

      Just remember Fox is propatainment and not news.
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    • Author by WilliamHolden (January 22, 2011 7:21 am ET)
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      After having followed Beck over the last week or so more closely one question I kept asking myself was how does he do it. What is it that makes him an influential figure. What is the method? What is the secret of his success? More and more certain factors stood out for me and this my summary what I have come up with.

      The essence of propaganda is a transmitter who wants to bring his message across to the masses to influence the masses. A simple sounding task that is quiet difficult to achieve. Beck has a clear assignment. Beck doesnt try to convince people who dont belong to his audience. His general refusal to engage in debates, I think, is caused not only by the predictable result of his exposure. There is really no need for it from a practical standpoint. Why waste time on that? The core task is to keep his audience mobilized for political purposes and as willing customers for his products. There are the ones who are putting pressure on the decision makers since they are mobilized. There also the ones who put money in his pocket.

      Beck manages to appear as a leader and a peer of this group with the use of several factors. The messengers needs credibility and Beck achieves that mainly in being the voice of his audience and reprsenting theri views while he in fact takes advantage of their needs.

      The God Factor

      God and the Bible are the ultimate source for authorization. Beck refers regularly to God of course. When he tells the audience to listen to God he speaks for his audience. Prob many of them believe that God actually
      speaks to them. Hearing God or not hearing God is an utterly important criteria for judging a person and his motives. The ones who hear God are good. The ones who dont are bad and evil. The God factor includes or excludes people. There are many hot issues where that division line
      is visible like same sex marriage or abortion. Another major impact is the defending and glorification of irrationality as in the irrational believe that the earth is 6000 years old.

      The Gut Factor

      Beck says you should not only listen to God, but also to your gut. It is necessary to keep the trust in irrationality high. Irrationality makes reasonable arguments impossible. Furthermore it okays the irrational fears of uneducated and uniformed folks. It is okay to trust your guts. That is the opposite of enlightenment. Fear is better than reason and Beck needs the gut to be unquestioned to make the psychological factor work.

      The Psychological Factor

      All or almost all humans fear what is unknown to them. The need for self preservation and security as Bernays pointed out are strong motivators. Another model is the hierarchy of needs by Abraham Maslow. I am not sure if Beck has mentioned him yet, but he and his team are surely very well aware of Maslow.

      Branching out into the life coach business with his e4 nonsenseand his latest book is surprise, surprise on top of Maslow pyramide. It is called self-actualization and is part of Megamotivation. On the button are the most basic physiological needs like food.

      Of course Beck doesnt give the audience literally food,
      but he heavenly exploits the fear of losing food and security. Pretty much any of Beck comments can be attributed to one of the layers in Maslows model. He exploits the so-called deficiency needs on the one hand, and on the other hand offers with his remarks about the intelligence of his audience for example the sense of belonging to a well informed community of honorable people. The love and esteem Maslow included in his hierarchy of needs.

      On a psychological level that is the main guiding line for Becks propaganda I would say.

      The Visual Factor

      The presentation in his studio is for me another part out that gig. The setting as friendly teacher with the chalkboards resounds the image of childhood. It
      is a fair assumption that most of the viewership have an idealized picture of their childhood when everything was save. The world has gotten so damn complicated today. Back than everything was so much easier. And Beck takes
      you back to this place of your memory and tells you how the world works. He also likes to come on stage in a childlike fashion with the sneakers and the ice cream or sitting on the desk like a kid emphasizing how great it was to be a kid.

      I still think his logo is created on purpose to make you more willing to accept his messages, but some scientist would have to study that for confirmation.

      The Propaganda Factor

      Without the expert knowledge of human psychology the propaganda wouldnt work as well. The roles are clear.

      Jewish, liberal ,Socialists, Commies, Progressives endanger the Nation. That is the translation of the deficiency needs
      and being needs into political terms. While the evil is perceived out of fear for your deficiency needs, the flipside of belonging to the true America is the reward or healing of the being needs for love and esteem.

      That is the melody Beck plays over and over again, shamelessly using racist and anti-Semitic stereotypes. I just link to my comment on that.

      Beck uses emotional comparisons, words and metaphors. I sometimes wondered why he would says certain words that appear unusual and odd. For me it has become clear now why that happens. He always looks for a way to stay in the shape of Maslows model.

      Beck is repeating lie after lie and the lies are believed by so many because Beck delivers on their needs as Maslow has described them.
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    • Author by 2dogs 2cats (January 22, 2011 11:29 am ET)
         
      Beck is a mentally unstable sick man who is full of hate. Most sane people I talk to realize that Fox News spews out mostly right leaning garbage. I'm not worried about those people. I'm worried about the folks that are as mentally unstable who are full of as much hate and own a semi automatic gun. I don't watch Fox news and I have made it my mission to get other people to turn it off also.You'd be surprised how many good comments I get when food shopping with my own bags that have "SAVE AMERICA! TURN OFF FOX NEWS!" on them Their are a lot of folks that agree that Fox News is not Fair and balanced.
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    • Author by icantthinkofausername (January 22, 2011 11:34 am ET)
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      If Glenn Beck were here today I would say to him: "Glenn Beck, you are a bigot. You bring shame to your country, not because you lack balance, but because you are an unthinking buffoon. Rupert Murdoch tolerates you because you are his useful idiot. He uses you to get a foothold in the doors of the powerful. Like his phone-hacking journalists and his pugnacious leader-writers in Australia, you are expendable. Let us hope he disposes of your nasty brand of intolerance sooner rather than later." /clap
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    • Author by Steve McKechnie (January 22, 2011 8:30 pm ET)
         
      The UK is learning more about what pays Beck everyday.
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/23/rupert-murdoch-empire-news-international

      "At the heart of everything is Rupert Murdoch's considerable personal power, which he wields to menace any government that stands in the way of his commercial ambitions or offends his basically conservative agenda."
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    • Author by doggeddem (January 22, 2011 9:11 pm ET)
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      Here, here! Why aren't leaders in this country telling the truth about this pathetic bigoted thug?
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    • Author by donwelty (January 23, 2011 2:00 am ET)
         
      Congratulations, there Glenn, You are now internationally recognized as an idiot and a bigot. You must be proud.

      Congratulations to you also Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch. You are also recognized internationally as people with no morals and no scruples because you make it possible for Beck to pollute the airwaves--however, if you are unaware of what Beck says, you are also incompetent.
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    • Author by SolomonKane (January 23, 2011 7:13 pm ET)
         
      What's amazing here is that MP Tom Watson didn't even get into Beck promoting pro-Nazi authors Elizabeth Dilling and Eustace Mullins. "Well read libertarian" my a$$!
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