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Media Matters: Right-wing media and the fringe: A growing history of violence (and denial)

June 12, 2009 9:32 pm ET

This week, the country's attention was captured by the horrific shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, allegedly by James W. von Brunn, an 88-year-old man with ties to white supremacist and anti-Semitic organizations. The fatal shooting came just two months after an April 7 Department of Homeland Security report detailing potential increases in right-wing extremism.

As Media Matters for America documented, the DHS report was immediately and vehemently rejected by numerous conservative commentators, such as Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michelle Malkin, and David Asman, who portrayed it as an illegitimate and politically motivated assault on conservatives. (Media Matters Senior Fellow Karl Frisch puts the attacks in even broader perspective here.)

Following the Holocaust Memorial Museum attack, these commentators faced criticism for their earlier dismissiveness. Some have since unconvincingly (and in the case of Joe Scarborough, inaccurately) defended their past assessment, and a handful of reporters and analysts are still engaging in falsehoods and inconsistencies in criticizing the DHS report. But on Fox News, Shepard Smith took a different position -- for which he was attacked by conservatives -- saying that the report "was a warning to us all. And it appears now that they were right."

The day before the Holocaust Memorial Museum attack, Media Matters Senior Fellow Eric Boehlert wrote that Fox News and its hosts "will have more right-wing vigilantism to explain." He added that "militia-style vigilante rhetoric has become a cornerstone of the conservative media movement in America, and it's now proudly championed by Fox News on a nearly hourly basis." (He also appeared on CNN this week.)

While right-wing media are certainly not legally culpable for any recent attacks, they are responsible for promoting a culture of fear, paranoia, and violence that is anti-government in the extreme -- a culture in which extremists, including von Brunn and Richard Poplawski, who fatally shot three Pittsburgh police officers, were apparently immersed. Poplawski was convinced that the Obama administration was going to take away his guns. Even though no evidence of such a policy exists, right-wing commentators and news organizations made the claim repeatedly before the shooting and have continued to do so since.

Predictably, conservative media figures responded to the museum shooting by attempting to shift attention away from themselves and onto political liberals and even President Obama himself. On June 10, the day of the museum shooting, financial analyst and radio host Jim Lacamp said on Fox News that "we have an administration that's really done a lot of class warfare, a lot of class-baiting. And so, it sets the stage for social unrest." That same day, conservative Tammy Bruce wrote that the Obama administration's "increasing anti-Israel rhetoric and the pandering to the Jew-hating world Arab world ... encourages all the beasts among us." Newsmax.com published an op-ed, cited on Friday by Michael Savage, claiming that Obama "is most certainly creating a climate of hate against" Jews. Colorado radio host Bob Newman even raised questions about whether Obama's recent visit to a concentration camp, or his statement about Israeli settlements, were factors in the shooting.

But as always, the most virulent reality-denier was Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh claimed that von Brunn "is a leftist if anything." He said that Obama is "ramping up hatred for Israel" and that "anti-Jew rhetoric comes from the American left." He claimed that MSNBC broadcasts "hate 24/7." Despite the right wing's repeated use of violent, revolutionary rhetoric, Limbaugh said that it was actually Obama who "thrives and needs chaos" to succeed. And in response to Shepard Smith, he remarked that the "claim that the atmosphere is somehow more violently anti-Obama is simply preposterous."

Indeed, Smith's remarks were the exception for the right. Despite its love of fearmongering, Fox News spent the 24 hours after the von Brunn shooting downplaying it. And on his broadcast that night, Bill O'Reilly, who hypocritically and incorrectly criticized the media for a supposed lack of coverage after the shooting death of Army recruiter Pvt. William Long, and who stokes the anger of viewers whenever it suits him politically, barely mentioned the shooting and instead featured what he called a "very important story" on gay penguins. "Do they wear tight T-shirts?" he asked, laughing. During the two shows after the shooting, Hannity barely mentioned it.

Other major stories this week:

Newt in the news

This was a big week for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is clearly attempting to position himself as the new (aka, old) voice of the GOP. (And according to USA Today, he's in the running.)

Newt, who had previously backed off of referring to Judge Sonia Sotomayor as a "racist," began the week by modifying his argument and repeating the dubious claim that she "clearly supported racial quotas" in the Frank Ricci case.

He followed it up at a congressional Republican fundraiser by proudly declaring that he was "not a citizen of the world," saying that "the entire concept is intellectual nonsense and stunningly dangerous." CNN's Candy Crowley and CQ Politics' Jonathan Allen reported Gingrich's statement without noting that President Ronald Reagan made similar remarks while addressing the United Nations in 1982. (You would think that Gingrich, a former history teacher, would have known better.) After Media Matters documented the oversight, MSNBC's David Shuster and Keith Olbermann, as well as by NBC's Brian Williams, subjected Gingrich's remarks to scrutiny.

Newt closed the week by reacting to a Weekly Standard article discussing the ongoing U.S. practice of reading Miranda rights to detainees. On Fox News' Hannity, Gingrich said that it was "unimaginable. It's worse than anything Jimmy Carter ever did. It's worse than anything that President Bill Clinton ever did." In doing so, he ignored the part of the article reporting that the FBI also Mirandized people at "specific bases" during the Bush administration.

Newt's factually challenged analysis has come to be so legendary that even MSNBC's Mike Barnicle felt compelled to ask, "[W]hy would anyone pay attention to anything he says?" It's a good question. Perhaps it's because networks like Fox News do whatever they can to make Gingrich, who hasn't held any office or official position since 1998, relevant.

Health care reform is coming, and the news is already making me sick

All three national networks covered a Thursday town hall meeting that Obama held in Wisconsin, during which he laid out his health care proposals in detail. And yet, not one of them reported on the substance of his remarks, focusing instead on a note he wrote for a 10-year-old girl who was skipping school.

On Friday, NPR's Mara Liasson claimed that the American Medical Association opposes a public plan as a component of health care reform, even though the AMA had backtracked the same day, stating that it was "willing to consider other variations of a public plan that are currently under discussion in Congress." Flaws in a New York Times story the day before about the AMA's position were the subject of Media Matters Senior Fellow Jamison Foser's column this week.

And during a Wednesday interview with Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey, MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell freely editorialized, lecturing him on how current proposals seemingly would "drive the deficit into these stratospheric numbers" and complaining that senators were engaging in "gobbledygook" on the issue.

The need for accurate and impartial reporting on impending legislation is made all the more acute by the long history and prevalence of misinformation from media conservatives on the issue. On Thursday, Limbaugh began pulling out the stops, sounding not unlike O'Donnell in the process. "And it's all about control," he said. "It's not about cost. This man's not worried about the cost of anything. He doesn't care what anything costs: a trip to New York for a date -- $12 trillion in debt over 10 years? He doesn't care what things cost." He went on to hypothesize that "exercise freaks ... are the ones putting stress on the health care system" because they keep getting injured.

Buchanan continues to test how much MSNBC will tolerate

Media Matters has already documented Pat Buchanan's racially charged and often sexist campaign against Sotomayor. Despite his recent (and past) behavior, however, MSNBC has provided Buchanan with a prominent platform from which to spew his invective. This week, Foser asked a question MSNBC -- which in the past has had to fire Michael Savage and Don Imus for their remarks -- should answer: just what would Pat Buchanan have to say to be fired from the network?

Well, during this past week, Buchanan was curiously absent from much of MSNBC's commentary. Was it a sign that the network might be re-evaluating its relationship with one of its favorite "analysts"? If so, it should take note of the fact that Buchanan is set to host what the Southern Poverty Law Center called a "prominent white nationalist" at the upcoming conference of The American Cause, a Buchanan-led organization.

Conservative Misinformation U

Here now, for your enjoyment, is the graduating class, whose standouts are too numerous to name, of Conservative Misinformation University, 2009.

It would be funnier if it weren't true. For America's sake, they should have been held back.

This week's media columns

This week's media columns from the Media Matters Senior Fellows: Eric Boehlert prophetically details why O'Reilly and Fox News will have more right-wing vigilantism to explain; Jamison Foser explains why AMA reporting needs a second opinion; and Karl Frisch has something to say about that DHS report.

Don't forget to order your autographed copy of Eric Boehlert's compelling new book, Bloggers on the Bus: How the Internet Changed Politics and the Press (Free Press, May 2009).

If you use the social networking site Facebook, be sure to join the official Media Matters page and those of our senior fellows Eric Boehlert, Jamison Foser, and Karl Frisch as well. You can also follow Media Matters, Boehlert, Foser, and Frisch on Twitter.

This weekly wrap-up was compiled by John V. Santore, an associate at Media Matters.

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    • Author by carlileb5935 (June 13, 2009 12:52 am ET)
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      It's not just Limbaugh and the Right.

      On Olbermann the other day, Jack Levin couldn't help but indict the Left with a "they do it too" canard.

      Taylor Marsh nails him good on this-- but I'm amazed that no one else caught this obscenity-- this phony equivalence that only pours gasoline on the "Lefties are the anti-Semites" crowd.



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      • Author by snoopy (June 13, 2009 5:31 pm ET)
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        I'm still waiting for an example of lefties killing abortion doctors or minorities. In the meantime, check it out. The leader of the minuteman group arrested for a home invasion and murder of a man and his 8 year old daughter. Their alleged crime in the eyes of the minuteman? They're hispanic.

        http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/06/minuteman-leader-arrested-for-double-homicide/

        More rightwing terrorism brought to you by the inflamers of the reich...
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        • Author by reanna-mator (June 14, 2009 5:48 pm ET)
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          Ah, there it is. My appreciation for the link. I saw a glimpse of this story on the news ticker in my work breakroom, but missed the whole thing and couldn't find the story again later.

          I don't want to sound paranoid, but I'm starting to get a bit concerned about the increasing amount of violence. I can only hope that there's not more violence, but more reporting of violence as more people turn toward the now popular idea that right-wing ideology-inspired violence is on the rise. Time will tell, I guess.
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      • Author by njguy93 (June 14, 2009 3:49 am ET)
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        I saw Jack Levin on Olbermann when he said that. I was thinking why he would say that. Maybe he just didn't want to seem overtly partisan, or maybe because he was appearing the openly liberal Olbermann, so he decided to just balance out his commentary to be on the safe side. There is no comparison between left-wing terror acts, which are usually things like vandalism or disruption of business, and right-wing terror attacks, which leave people dead, the most recent on being on June 10th.

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        • Author by bruce1ace (June 14, 2009 1:51 pm ET)
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          What do you think of lerft wing groups that vandalize and destroy medical research facilities that use animals? You don't think that type of behavior can impact human life, the delay of medical advances? That type of thing can have a much greater impact on human life, although indirectly, than an isolated shooting by a total nutball.

          I wouldn't dismiss that stuff so casually.

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          • Author by loonz (June 14, 2009 3:27 pm ET)
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            I don't think so. Research is always going on someplace and they can't destroy all of the facilities.

            These anti-choice nutcases and White Supremacists use their violence to terrorize whole groups of people. The impact is much greater than the single shooting.
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          • Author by snoopy (June 14, 2009 6:29 pm ET)
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            We don't agree with them but it's still not murder, is it?
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          • Author by Peter.P (June 14, 2009 7:00 pm ET)
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            Stem Cells?
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          • Author by juliajayne1 (June 14, 2009 8:29 pm ET)
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            Fran Townsend, the former DHS advisor under W, was on Bill Maher's program trying to peddle that meme and got spanked for it. Probably one of the only places she would get spanked, in our current media miasma.

            I'm not buying the equivalency either, Wes. Because there is none.
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          • Author by njguy93 (June 15, 2009 1:48 am ET)
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            Ah, Bruce. Haven't heard from you or responded to you in a while. Glad to see your hear, albeit with your usual leanings. Although there is no excuse for left-wing terrorism, you simply cannot compare it to murders committed by right-wing terrorists. I am not casually dismissing it. Left-wing terrorists should be prosecuted fully just like right-wing terrorists obviously should be. I am saying that it is just dishonest to try to create any type of moral equivalence between left-wing terror attacks and right-wing terror attacks. They are not even in the same universe.

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            • Author by bruce1ace (June 15, 2009 7:02 pm ET)
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              I agree that currently right wing terrorisnm is more directly associated with murder whereas leftwing terrorism is more property damage and so forth indirectly causing human hardship. But left wing terrorism had its run in the 60s and 70s where murder was certainly in play (SLA) and it will come around again some day.
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    • Author by LuvLuLu (June 13, 2009 1:07 am ET)
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      "While right-wing media are certainly not legally culpable for any recent attacks, they are responsible for promoting a culture of fear, paranoia, and violence that is anti-government in the extreme."

      They are also responsible for the failure to inject truth and reality into their discussions. It seems apparent to most that the Conservative ideology can't stand up to fair and reasonable examination and so their only option is to lie about themselves and their opposition.
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    • Author by pags2 (June 13, 2009 2:05 am ET)
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      What is morally reprehensible is the fact that many of the Fox News commentators intentionally omit material facts when talking about an event.
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      • Author by didi (June 13, 2009 11:02 am ET)
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        In order to keep their attacks on liberals/democrats going they need to stretch the truth. Trying to paint a political view as completely and utterly wrong is quite an achievement.

        In Germany it took years of constant indoctrination to get the people to look the other way while they annihilated the Jews. Any truth that may come out is immediately and comprehensibly attacked as wrong. So omitting material facts is the only way they can present their case with such effectiveness.

        It's all propaganda all the time.

        Soon their lies will reach a breaking point. I call it the Morton Downey Junior effect. In his case he attempted to keep his audience by becoming more outrageous each time his show went on. In the end his show became so unhinged that people lost interest in it.

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      • Author by jvimum (June 14, 2009 8:34 am ET)
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        In the UK we have SkyNews also owned by Murdoch. However, because we have effective laws against incitement to violence and hate crimes, and because we also have official media watchdogs that monitor all media outlets and pounce on imbalance and left/right extremism, we are protected from the kind of propaganda I have witnessed on FoxNews on visits to the US. They simply wouldn't get away with it in other countries. Freedom (of speech) comes with responsibility attached. Unfortunately this doesn't always seem to be the case in some places.
        Of course we are a "Marxist" country! LOL.
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      • Author by Voice (June 15, 2009 12:04 am ET)
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        The "material facts" that Holocaust Museum shooter Von Brunn's own website was devoted to anti-semitism, hatred of Conservatives, hatred of George W. Bush, and a demand for the imposition of Socialism on everybody in the country, has been widely omitted in certain circles, too. Probably not so much by design as by ignorance, but that's okay. Only right-wingers are the violent, enabling types.
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        • Author by Disputed Zone (June 15, 2009 4:39 pm ET)
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          I'll let Little Green Footballs (!) handle the debunking:

          Amazingly, the talking point on which some bloggers seem to have settled is that Von Brunn was actually a leftist — despite a lifelong affiliation with causes and ideologies that are far more associated with the extreme right....

          Von Brunn is a right wing paleo-kook, deeply antisemitic in the way that Father Coughlin was and Pat Buchanan still is. He’s attracted to Nazism for its authoritarianism and its “master race” ideology, not its socialist-influenced economics.

          Von Brunn’s “manifesto” makes it very clear that he had nothing but hatred for Marxism or socialism.
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    • Author by AsIfUknow (June 13, 2009 7:12 am ET)
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      In a comment dated May 10, 2009, I wrote that we should regard Fox News (et. el) as seditionists and that they should be shut down! Media conglomerates calling “Haters” to ACTION is not necessarily protected under the First Amendment Free Speech shield (there are other Ammends that govern rights to gather vs inciting riots, and more. Read the definition of sedition & re-read our Constitution to see if you concur, but I believe under Bush-Cheney's little constitutionally-illegal, US PATRIOT ACT, they could be considered as "enemies of the state.").

      The days since the hate-shootings (both of them) have been very difficult to watch ANY of Fox's usual fantastical "news" - even as clips shown on the fake news, The Daily Show (w/John Stewart). How weird –or pathetic- is it that the fake news (Stewart) is one of the only pure forms of “fair and balanced” (and actual and accurate) news outlets on the air today?

      As a recent Criminal Justice/History graduate, I learned to be expecting that as these desperate economic times continue, crimes will become more heinous in nature and more frequent. But for these Christocrats (a.k.a. Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, & the rest) to fill the airwaves with their wildly inaccurate and their elitist hate only heightens the probability of more of these types of crimes –or worse- occurring. Except this time, we won’t have “illegal Mexicans,” “Muslim Terrorists,” or “Inner-city Blacks” to blame it on. It will be the 30-, 60-, or 80-yr-old average white guy, who has been told every day to believe that the afore mentioned stereotypes are coming for his money, his belongings, and his women, in some impending (albeit, fictional) “race war” that “they” are secretly gearing up for.

      Let’s face it, the average ‘fan’ of the Fox (& like) is ignorant, misinformed, fear-based and panicky mobs. The unthinking, knee-jerk reactionary kind of mobs that Hate Preachers have to create, groom, and incite to do their greed-motivated Hate Crimes. And they will have them, Unless, YOU and I demand better from Fox & “friends.” Look at the changes this online community are already starting to make – small changes – perhaps – but CHANGES! WE ARE the viewing public, and we have a voice – a bigger one than their actual viewer-base! To use a piece of my previous comment:
      Why don’t we just work to change this madness? Collectively change their all-important numbers (e.g., decrease viewership & advertising, and increase complaints to network moguls, etc...)?...
      ...Instead of just watching and disclosing the crap they are doing, let’s force THEM into the unheard minority the voting numbers reflect they are. It’s OUR time! They lost. DEAL WITH IT - just like we spent 8 years doing without a voice. I'm sick of it! I'm sick of Fox, their fear-mongering hatred for all things good, and I'm sick of doing nothing about it! To coin a movie phrase: "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
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    • Author by LeroyTheRoadie (June 13, 2009 9:12 am ET)
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      Just as the Founding Fathers created a constitutional protection against non-natives becoming the POTUS, in this media age, having a non-native (Murdoch) steering our ship of democracy into increasingly-treacherous waters is a growing concern for us as a society, I believe.

      In 1985, Murdoch became a naturalized citizen "in order to satisfy the legal requirement that only US citizens were permitted to own American television stations." (Wikipedia), and he used that citizenship solely to buy a bully pulpit. His own money and power is his concern, not the well-being of the Great Experiment. IMO, his ownership of FOX threatens our democracy by subjecting the 1st Amendment to constant attack by having his mouthpiece(s) constantly yelling FIRE in a very crowded and tense theater when it's clear that they are simply attempting to incite panic for ratings and money...

      If it weren't for Murdoch, the likes of Limbaugh and Savage would have their little fringe audiences, but FOX continually gives such bullies access to the incredibly omnipotent bully pulpit he purchased.

      I disagreed with the FCC's 1995 judgement that Murdoch's ownership of FOX is "in the best interest of the United States."

      Now we're experiencing how terribly his empire affects our country, but perhaps I'm just a xenophobic yahoo who's got a thing against immigrants... Funny how so many in FOX's viewership are suspicious of immigrants... Poor powerless ones...
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      • Author by mikehuck1976 (June 15, 2009 9:31 pm ET)
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        I have to completely disagree with you Leroy. We cannot make laws to stop the impressionable ignorant from being swayed by maniupualtors. If there are so many of that are so ill-informed, ignorant, and easily influenced by media morons than our republic may destroy itself. That's the risk of being a country of the people and by the people.
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    • Author by jmh (June 13, 2009 12:06 pm ET)
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      i think beck should be arrested.
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (June 13, 2009 12:53 pm ET)
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        And the charges would be?????
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        • Author by magnolialover (June 13, 2009 1:42 pm ET)
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          Yeah, he couldn't be arrested.

          We can't arrest someone for being stupid.
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        • Author by Disputed Zone (June 13, 2009 3:14 pm ET)
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          No, he shouldn't be arrested. And, of course, he's allowed to express his dissatisfaction with our democratically elected government, even to the point of suggesting armed rebellion.

          I just wish he didn't have platforms that let him broadcast his dangerous rhetoric.
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          • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 13, 2009 8:59 pm ET)
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            even to the point of suggesting armed rebellion.
            No, that's actually illegal. Look it up.
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            • Author by Disputed Zone (June 13, 2009 10:23 pm ET)
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              I looked it up, and it appears I'm right. The relevant precedent is Brandenburg v. Ohio.

              Regardless, Beck won't be prosecuted, vile as his comments were. As I indicated, I would prefer to see him relegated to spouting his deranged rants on some street corner.
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              • Author by njguy93 (June 14, 2009 3:54 am ET)
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                If it wasn't for the neanderthal, knuckledragging base of the Republican Party and conservatives in general, Glenn Beck would be on a street corner somewhere with his garbage.

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            • Author by kfraz43 (June 14, 2009 11:24 pm ET)
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              Correct. There is no protection for those who attempt to incite a riot.
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        • Author by jmh (June 13, 2009 3:29 pm ET)
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          shrug, beats me.
          but plenty of journalists get arrested and detained here and around the world (for example, at the 2008 Dem Convention) for no other reason than just being journalists.
          This guy, Beck, is as close to inciting sedition and violence, without _exactly_ doing so,
          as one can get.
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        • Author by jmh (June 13, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
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          Look, if you listen to the remarks of Beck and Limbaugh
          they are not just stating their opinions. They are deliberately fomenting and catering to the fringe element of our society using absolute fabrications.
          For Limbaugh to claim Obama has a "God complex" he is _deliberately_ catering to those whose intellect is jaded with myth and distortion about how the world works in an attempt to cause some extreme action.
          It is the same with Beck and his obsession with guns, you need to listen to the content and tone
          of their rhetoric.
          The __only__ way their premises and logic can be taken as substantive is if you take into account the seditious nature of their speech.
          Sorry to have to lecture, but: Words Matter, and Media Matters
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        • Author by pauldd (June 14, 2009 1:57 am ET)
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          Inciting rebellion against the duly elected government of the United States for starters.
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        • Author by steeve (June 14, 2009 2:52 am ET)
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          The charge would be treason against the United States.

          Not actual treason, just the "treason" (i.e. disagreement with the president) which conservatives were openly advocating arrest for a few years ago.
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      • Author by jvimum (June 14, 2009 8:25 am ET)
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        He probably would be in the UK. We have laws against incitement.
        Of course we are a "Marxist" country" LOL.
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    • Author by JayMagoo (June 13, 2009 12:15 pm ET)
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      Why does Rush Limbaugh broadcast several hours daily over the Armed Forces Network (AFN)? That network reaches several hundred thousand American military men and women all over the globe. Limbaugh broadcasts an extremely partisan point of view, often slyly suggesting that those who he deems disenfranchised (conservatives) should take things into their own hands. Limbaugh also broadcasts daily and even hourly disrespect of and dissent from the policies President Obama, the Commander in Chief of the military. Why is Limbaugh permitted to do this without any opposing point of view. We the American people own and pay for the Armed Forces Network. Did the senior military officers who are right wing ideologues have something to do with this? This must stop. The Military is now under a Democratic government and this irrational snti-government propaganda should no longer be permitted on a station that we, the people, own and pay for.
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    • Author by jrrrr (June 13, 2009 12:33 pm ET)
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      "we have an administration that's really done a lot of class warfare, a lot of class-baiting. And so, it sets the stage for social unrest.

      Liberals have done a lot of race-baiting, too. Whenever stereotypes are used by the socialist welfare state agenda to pit one group of people against another in the "struggle" for the government spending of what is actually their own paychecks, hatred and violence is the result. Conservatives didn't create the Demo-Republican United Welfare States of America, which is completely dependent upon class, race and cultural polarization, as well as hateful stereotype-driven demagoguery.

      How do you liberal wing nuts think Hitler's _socialist_ agenda was accomplished except by way of the very same stereotype-driven race and class based government enforced resource and income confiscation and redistribution as is currently practiced in the USA. You libbies always fall for the worst kind of do gooders; you just can't figure out that when somebody says they "need" the power to confiscate most of everybody's money and spend it to "improve the social condition,' they ALWAYS screw things up... for the very simple reason that the only incentive to work for a living is to enjoy the proceeds, not send the proceeds to political scum of any party, to squander on socially devastating agendas.
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      • Author by jmh (June 13, 2009 12:44 pm ET)
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        i think Beck should be arrested
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      • Author by magnolialover (June 13, 2009 1:45 pm ET)
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        Oh look. Someone else who thinks Hitler was a liberal.

        Hitler didn't have a socialist agenda. He had a fascist agenda. Let me clue you in on something. They're not the same. He took and kept by force, and fear, and intimidation.

        The welfare state is a myth, perpetrated by folks like yourself, who seem to think that trying to provide for the small percentage of our countrymen and woman are poor is somehow a bad thing.

        You're nuts if you think Hitler had a socialist/liberal agenda. Try reading some history.
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      • Author by twseattle (June 13, 2009 2:10 pm ET)
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        That's why Clinton is the only persident to accomplish a federal budget surplus?
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        • Author by magnolialover (June 13, 2009 3:46 pm ET)
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          There's also a lot of men made of straw in his argument as well. LOTS of them.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 13, 2009 4:22 pm ET)
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            I rather enjoyed jrrrrrrr's post. I've never seen anybody use the word "stereotype" so many times in a post made up of not merely stereotypes, but ridiculous imaginary stereotypes.

            As to your suggestion that jrrrrrr read some history, Mag, I'm guessing that it's not a big reader, more of a screechmonkey am radio consumer.
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      • Author by Buzzramjet (June 13, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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        Oh jeez the rightwing "Liberals are the real problem" talking points from the fringe are heard from.
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      • Author by snoopy (June 13, 2009 5:43 pm ET)
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        Oh, boy! It's the poster boy for the fascist racist regime in exile! What bigoted tripe are you trying to pass off as intellectual debate today? Let's see, we have a racist rant, a strawman welfare argument, and revisionist hitlery! All you have to do is finish up by calling Obama the n-word and your rant will be complete. In the meantime, let me direct you to another post I supplied showing yet another reichwing racist killing to remind you that we know who the real terrorists are.
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      • Author by solon (June 13, 2009 6:31 pm ET)
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        Ok. You are brainwashed and have done your duty as a cell of the Limborg hivemind to spew out idiotic talking points. Hitting the buttons. Soclialism, you show clearly that you dont know what the word means, wellfare, blah di blah. Since you post was one long delusional fantasy and propagandistic bilge I wont bother to say anymore about it than if the day ever comes that you find you CAN finally think for yourself I hope you have the self respect to be embarassed at stupidity of this calibre
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      • Author by doc080 (June 15, 2009 12:02 pm ET)
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        Please learn one thing about the rise of Nazi Germany. It will prevent you from making an ass out of yourself. The rise of Nazi Germany had nothing to do with enforcing income redistribution. What planet are you from?
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    • Author by pags2 (June 13, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
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      The hate speech and the crazy talk is a fundraising device for the Republicans. The problem is that they have lost control over the situation. Limbaugh, Hannity, et al, will continue to define the debate over Obama's policies. Their rantings turn off middle of the road voters which does not bode well for the 2010 election. This will not stop until someone stands up and tells every Republican and conservative to shut up. Steele does not have the power or influence to do it. There are so many people jockeying for positions for the next presidential election and they will continue this crazy talk until they get hammered in another election.
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    • Author by royndott7664 (June 13, 2009 7:27 pm ET)
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      I am a poor white guy, who have races of people that I don't like, and I am not on welfare. The only difference between me and a lot of other poor whites is that I am not stupid enough to believe that rich white Republicans guy, who have higher positions, the best education, live in million dollar homes, driving cars that are worth more than the house that I live in, and earning more money that I will ever dream of making, care about me. They want some of you to believe that they are just like you. I
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    • Author by amazing_grace (June 14, 2009 2:13 am ET)
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      A couple of months ago I was listening to Sean Hannity in a discussion with a guest who said to Hannity, and Hannity agreed, "...it's only treason if we lose." At that I blew a gasket and I am now no longer willing to sit by and let the traitorous Australian, Rupert Murdoch and his henchman, Roger Ailes, destroy our democracy with their lies, distortions and deliberate attempts to incite the extreme rightwing to open physicall rebellion against President Obama and the Democrats in the Congress. As for Sean Hannity and his guest, the point really is that when we have a democratically elected President and Congress in office and you are stating that "... it is only treason if we lose" you are wrong. It is sedition and treason to be advocating the violent overthrow of the United States Government and to suggest in your comments that you will be fighting US law enforcement and the US Military.It is just plain TREASON! Lest we forget, Tim McVey committed many offenses in blowing up the Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City and he was executed for it. He should have also been charged with sedition and treason and and tried for those also. I have watched over the last 40 years Rightwing Extremists (and Arizona is filled with them, many are elected officials, even US Senator John Kyle) who have charged liberals/kprogressives with treason for antiwar activites, or reporters {whose own political views I am not even aware of) for publishing articles or information they did not want published (view the Republicans in Congess and Fox News regarding the New York Times published article last year). These were constitutionally protected activities. The activities of FOX News in inflaming other Rightwing extremists who are now going out and violently acting out and killing christians, another Physician, assaulting a museum and killing a guard, and killing two hispanics including a nine year old child just goes beyond all acceptable behavior in a Democracy. It is time we actively exert pressure for something to be done including confronting some of these traitors personally. It is time!
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    • Author by TheSarge (June 14, 2009 5:04 am ET)
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      Wow. It's taken this long for an American to finally get on American television and tell Americans, seriously, that Fox News (in particular) and Conservitive media (in general) is dangerous. That hate speach is dangerous and that continuing to allow it has serious consequences.

      I wonder how long it will be until the Americans catch up to the rest of the civilized world and outlaw hate speech on TV.

      Sad, but true.
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      • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 14, 2009 10:40 am ET)
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        Well MMfA conveniently forgot to tell us that Von Brunn wasn't right leaning at all. In fact the case can be made that he was a leftist:

        The suspect in Wednesday’s shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum is James von Brunn, an 88-year-old white supremacist from Maryland, two law enforcement officials told CNN.

        Von Brunn served six years in prison on federal attempted kidnapping, assault and firearms charges after what he called a citizen’s “legal, nonviolent citizens arrest” of members of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.

        On his Web site, “Holy Western Empire,” von Brunn said he was “convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge.”

        “He is in our files going back way into the 1980s,” said Heidi Beirich, a researcher for the Montgomery, Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.

        “He has extremely long history with neo-Nazis and white supremacists. He’s written extremely incendiary publications, raging about Jews, blacks and the like.”

        The suspect and a security guard were wounded in Wednesday afternoon’s shooting at the museum, U.S. Park Police said.

        District of Columbia police and the FBI said the shooting appeared to have been the work of a single gunman and there was no prior indication of the attack.


        Here is more on the Neo-Con hating Vonn Brunn:

        The man accused of opening fire at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC on June 10, James W. von Brunn, left a trail of unhinged writings around the internet.

        The anti-semitism of von Brunn is the first thing one notices when visiting these bizarre websites. However, like those of most “white supremacists”, many of von Brunn’s political views track “Left” rather than “Right.” Clearly, a re-evaluation of these obsolete definitions is long overdue.

        For example, he unleashed his hatred of both Presidents Bush and other “neo-conservatives” in online essays. As even some “progressives” such as the influential Adbusters magazine publicly admit, “neoconservative” is often used as a derogatory code word for “Jews”. As well, even a cursory glance at “white supremacist” writings reveals a hatred of, say, big corporations that is virtually indistinguishable from that of anti-globalization activists.

        James von Brunn’s advocacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories also gives him an additional commonality with individuals on the far-left.


        MMfA's logic...he used a gun so he must be on the right! Yeah, that's the ticket!
        Slow weekend for the interns MMfA?
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        • Author by snoopy (June 14, 2009 10:47 am ET)
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          Gee, only a rightwinger would actually think a racist, fascist card carrying member of the right who hates minorities, jews and Obama in particular must be a leftwinger! That's quite a neat trick, turning a rascist fascist rightwinger into a leftwinger. Have you ever considered going on Leno? I think you'd be a hit!
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          • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 14, 2009 11:04 am ET)
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            Totally glossed over that NEO CON hating, Bush hating, Beck hating parts did we snoop doggy dog?

            I'm going to clue you in on a little secret about this guy...get real close to your monitor...


            HE WAS A PSYCHO! You or the interns on this forum can't pigeon hole Vonn Brunn into any specific title (although you're trying your best) or banner.

            But hey, we understand, it's you snoop.
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            • Author by snoopy (June 14, 2009 11:09 am ET)
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              Here, t-bone, let me clue you in on the parts you glossed over:

              Somehow omitted: He also hated black people, and he especially hated Obama because he believed he was controlled by Jews. (See the note he left behind.) He also hated the Federal Reserve, taxes, the United Nations, the federal government generically, admired Hitler, urged the reciminalization of miscegenation laws, and promoted The Protocols of the Seven Elders of Zion as fact. He worked at one time for Willis Carto's right-wing publishing house, Noontide Press, and used to sell copies of Carto's house organ The Spotlight.

              Now I know the thought that admitting one of your own went psycho is painful to you, but contrary to your opinion, he's a RIGHT WING PSYCHO! And all his right wing buddies are singing his praises. Now just remember "lefty loosy" when you turn the nut...

              [http://allhatnocattle.net/glenn-beck_fox.jpg]
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              • Author by Brabantio (June 14, 2009 11:19 am ET)
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                You forgot to link to David Neiwert at Crooks and Liars for the italicized portion.
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                • Author by snoopy (June 14, 2009 11:29 am ET)
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                  oops, so I did. my bad!

                  I'm thinking t-bone also thinks shawna ford is a lefty too. And Atkissin, or tiller's killer. The rightwing nuts are coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate and all the apologists can do is try to play down their right wing convictions by claiming psycho status. Apparently only liberal murderers are cold calculating sane folk. I just wish some right wing apologist could supply an actual liberal murderer's name...
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                  • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 14, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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                    Lee Harvey Oswald.
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                    • Author by snoopy (June 14, 2009 11:56 am ET)
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                      I said liberal...
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                    • Author by solon (June 14, 2009 2:35 pm ET)
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                      Oswald at least thought he was an intelligence op. He catered to both left AND right groups at different times. While in Dallas he hung around with the virulent anti communist far right White Russian community.
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                      • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 15, 2009 9:17 am ET)
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                        OK. He was an avowed Marxist. He tried to join the Socialist Party's youth league in New Orleans. There is speculation that during his posting at Atsugi he was recruited as a spy and fellow marines stated that he wasn't living the life of a typical marine. He learns Russian and starts to preach the gospel of Marxism to his buddies.

                        Sounds like he was bible thumping conservative to me.
                        We have to ask ourselves (if we're being honest) that if he was hanging out with the White Russian's, then was he doing it as a double agent knowing his background up to that point?
                        Do you think?
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                • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 14, 2009 11:45 am ET)
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                  So he's a plagiarizer to boot! Nice work dog!
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                  • Author by snoopy (June 14, 2009 11:58 am ET)
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                    plagarism requires intent to present someone elses work as your own. I italicized the passage, so once again, you fail. Keep trying though, even a blind squirrel is bound to find a nut in the forest.
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                  • Author by solon (June 14, 2009 2:38 pm ET)
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                    Thats weak. It is clear in context he was citing someone else. He forgot the citation. It happens to all of us. No way he was claiming that as his own. Dont let your hatred lead you to make a fool out of yourself.
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                  • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 14, 2009 7:41 pm ET)
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                    uh, T-bone, you realize you copy & pasted most of your long post above from somewhere without a link or credit, right?

                    You know, the silly opinion piece by some right winger who convinced you that Von Brunn wasn't a right winger?

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                    • Author by Tbone Slickens (June 15, 2009 8:59 am ET)
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                      That's what the quote box is for chicken hauler. Notice how snoop doggy dog didn't use that nice feature.

                      I'm just giv'n him the business but as all humorless lib's go, you just can't take it.

                      Suck it up and do better next time.

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                      • Author by Brabantio (June 15, 2009 10:59 am ET)
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                        Did you really just call the Colonel "humorless"? Why don't you just change your name to "troll" and be done with it, seriously?
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                        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 15, 2009 2:21 pm ET)
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                          And the quote box somehow magically provides a link and attribution. I think TBone doesn't have enough of a sense of humor to show his source. I'll bet it would get some belly laughs outta some "humorless lib's".
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        • Author by Brabantio (June 14, 2009 11:14 am ET)
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          So let me see if I have the logic straight on this.

          Liberals think that Israel should be kept in check instead of being the 800-pound gorilla in the Middle East backed up by the force of the United States, so liberals are anti-Semites.

          Von Brunn is an anti-Semite, and hates neo-cons because he associates them with Jews.

          Therefore, von Brunn is a leftist. Is that how that's supposed to work?
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        • Author by loonz (June 14, 2009 1:46 pm ET)
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          The guy a far righty and he hated Bush like some of your party hated him:

          Here's his missive about Obama:

          Obama is missing!

          Skrevet av Sigurd Mellqvist (Gjest) 02.12.2008 18:47

          The American People Demand to Know:

          WHO SENT YOU???

          Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help - but to serve whom & why???

          MISSING-HIDDEN DOCUMENTS:

          Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA -- Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original found in Kenya)

          Certificate of Live Birth -- Released - Proven Counterfeit (www.ObamaFiles.com)

          Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released

          Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released

          Soetoro adoption records -- Not released

          Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Not Released

          Punahou School records -- Not released

          Selective Service Registration -- Released - Proven Counterfeit

          Occidental College records -- Not released

          Passport (Pakistan) -- Not released

          Columbia College records -- Not released

          Columbia thesis -- Not released

          Harvard College records -- Not released

          Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, Not Signed)

          Baptism certificate -- None

          Medical records -- Not released

          Illinois State Senate records -- None (Locked up to prohibit public view

          Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost (All other Illinois state senators' records are intact)

          Law practice client list -- Not released

          University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

          WHY DON'T WE SEE ONE WORD OF THIS IN ANY OF THE MEDIA?

          Love him or hate him, we all remember how the press went to great lengths to find out every move that President Bush made ... finally unable to come up with anything factual, so they created it! When their accusations were proven empty, they refused to retract one word of the fraud they perpetrated on the American people.

          Dan Rather lost his job over fraudulent documents, because common people like you & me reached out and ripped CBS to pieces. They couldn't stand the loss of sponsors OR viewers!

          The same Media went to great lengths to scandalize & destroy Sarah Palin. She maintains a 91% approval rating among voters from all parties, thanks to the Internet and investigative journalists who don't work for the mainstream media.

          NOW ------- The Supreme Court has scheduled a Conference for Dec 5th about Obama's

          U. S. Citizenship. STILL, not a word about any of this from the Media. If it were not for the Internet and talk radio, American citizens would become the servants of a dishonest & conspiratorial Media.

          THINK ABOUT IT. IT DIDN'T USED TO BE THIS WAY! How much longer are we going to sit on our hands & say not a word?

          AND DON'T THINK THE MEDIA SIMPLY DOESN'T KNOW - THEY ARE GETTING POUNDED WITH EMAILS ABOUT IT!!!

          Obama could not get a simple security clearance with the information the government has on him ---- NOBODY COULD!

          NOW he is privy to every top secret America has!

          What is going on??? WHERE ARE THE GOOD PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY - ARE YOU OUT THERE???

          Submitted by: James W. von Brunn
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        • Author by loonz (June 14, 2009 2:06 pm ET)
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          As even some “progressives” such as the influential Adbusters magazine publicly admit, “neoconservative” is often used as a derogatory code word for “Jews”.
          -Tbone Slickens


          It seems you know much more about this Adbusters magazine than any liberal. I don't think any of us have heard of such a magazine and yet you claim it's influential.

          The Neocons proudly call themselves Neoconservatives and they're the ones who coined the term. Neoconservatives are basically indistinguishable from imperialists in my opinion.

          And rants against globalization are found on the left and the right.
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        • Author by solon (June 14, 2009 2:32 pm ET)
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          No the case cant be made he is on the left. I mean you wingnuts are trying but his own words DECRIED the rise of liberalism. Show me where he specifically condemned conservatism. They guy was a nut and I am not quick to categorize him as on the right. I read a few of his convoluted conspiricy theories and they run the political gamut. Only brainwashed sheeple are trying to say he was on the left though. If you want to say he wasnt on the right, I dont have a big problem with that.
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    • Author by SMTDL (June 14, 2009 12:29 pm ET)
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      Anybody saying this Anti-Semitic,Separatist ,White Supremicist was a Liberal Left winger would have to think the KKK is a left wing organization that also happened to endorse John Mcain last election!!! That he(Von Brunn) din't like Neocons and the Bushes just shows he was not dumb!!
      Why do peopleon teh right always seeit as race baiting when bigotry,racism,prejudice,intolerance and insensitivity are shown by fellow conservatives.The writer of a letter in the local paper's editorial page was outraged that Rush Limbaugh was called a blowhard by a columnist writing on this very subject!Limbaugh had just referred to Native Americans as "those clowns" a few days before..How can anyone fair minded(let alone religious) support such rhetoric!
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    • Author by atrivera15 (June 14, 2009 5:02 pm ET)
         
      As a Hispanic American male I can tell you though my community is socially conservative we know we do not belong in the republican party because of their open hatred toward people of different color. I know some good republicans personally and only one of them voted for McCain in this last election because of what the party has become. Instead of taking a step backward and reevaluating the situation. Hate mongers on the right continue to move forward with a radical agenda that now has taken them out of the mainstream. You would think this would be obvious but their shear hatred has overwhelmed their senses.
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    • Author by AL_monster723 (June 14, 2009 9:55 pm ET)
         
      that was an amazing heavily edited video, some of these clips were about 3 secs. long
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    • Author by kfraz43 (June 14, 2009 11:17 pm ET)
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      I was at a party this weekend, where in the course of four hours I heard one guy say that Dr. Tiller "deserved what he got", and another woman say that Rush Limbaugh is "just an entertainer". This stuff concerns me - as I explained to the woman, Rush was "just an entertainer" 20 years ago. Now he's the source of truth for an entire movement.

      Later on in the evening (same party), I was having a conversation with a righty about Sarah Palin. I told him that if he was so confident that she was smarter than everybody is giving her credit for, he better hope that she's the nominee against Obama in 2012. The guy's response: "You think he'll last that long?" I had ask him if he thought I meant 2016, and he said no. The implication was clear, and it was chilling. There are people on the right who are now publicly professing doubt that Obama is going to make it to the end of his first term, and this guy specifically didn't seem too concerned about it. Wow.
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      • Author by kfraz43 (June 15, 2009 3:45 pm ET)
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        Looking back now, I'm not really sure why I was invited to that party. ;-)
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    • Author by 1greensix (June 14, 2009 11:49 pm ET)
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      Republican = greedy
      conservative = racist
      What's so hard to understand here?
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      • Author by njguy93 (June 15, 2009 1:41 am ET)
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        Nothing, really. Nice summary.

        THANK YOU.
        njguy93@yahoo.com
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    • Author by digeeedad9143 (June 15, 2009 7:01 am ET)
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      One of THE most "frightening" main stream interactive forums are Sean Hannity's website forums, specifically "Washington Politics"
      http://forums.hannity.com/

      Despite Hannity's personal projection of being a "Great American", all one need do to see who his REAL associates are is to read the posts in "Washington Politics"! By Hannity's own standard of "guilt by association", these are his forums and his moderators and as such he is condoning and encouraging the vile, racist, hat-filled and seditious content there. My guess is that the FBI regularly keeps track of the posts and posters there.

      Some of the most disturbing posts are done by Hannity's MODERATORS, such as this from right after Obama's inauguration:

      "The fate of America, perhaps the world, was sealed today with the coranation of the Filthy Pig Obama and his Marxist Regime. First and foremost I am an American. I will defend the Flag, the Nation, and the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Obama is a Filthy Marxist anti-American Pig. I will fight and defend my country against the Obama Marxist Coup and Plague".

      Dove-tailing with that is a new topic thread that is a MUST READ:
      "Another suggestion for STARTING to deal with the problems being inflicted on America"
      http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1510811

      My understanding is that Disney/ABC actually finances Hannity's website and forums, where truly anything goes, except for crticizing Hannity or Limbaugh!



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      • Author by magnolialover (June 15, 2009 12:54 pm ET)
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        Thanks for your non perspective about things.

        If you have something to add, that doesn't represent the lock step right wing radio tilt of things, please do so. If not, prepare to be smacked down.
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      • Author by SMTDL (June 15, 2009 2:01 pm ET)
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        Please explain the ignorance and intolerance you see here..show us the error of our ways,challenge our opinions with knowledge,facts and cogent interpretations/explanations..Please ..we need to hear it from you so we can learn!
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    • Author by ethereal (June 15, 2009 9:59 am ET)
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      At age 59 I have seen much political change in America. Unfortunately, it had been an incomplete perspective until the internet came into being. The right is driving a "suicide bus" in an attempt to bully their agenda. They don't want change, progressive or otherwise, because they realize the party is over. The internet has given, for the first time, an opportunity to Middle Class America to learn the truth and to participate in a true Democracy. Prior to its inception the right had control of the Media and therefore control of the way things were done. Total control! Now the public has a method to check the facts for themselves The right is desperate. They will use any method to instill fear in order to keep things unchanged. We see them lie. Is there anything worse than a Liar?
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    • Author by latanza (June 15, 2009 2:53 pm ET)
         
      Surely there is something that you have missed which is more important than arguing or even supporting your argument. Right wing has studied the importance and the influence of media. They know how to employ psychological tactics through broadcasting. you all should gain this strategy. Americans don't like bickerers! They don't like media when they argue about the other mediums. As well, you have to combat with a level head tactics! You may be brilliant at disputing information but to counter the adversary with strategy and style is undefeatable thus far. America is style and truth oriented. Reinvent your style. Rebroadcast their broadcast with the angle you would have broadcast. Challenge the information. Challenge them to give strategy that would be more effective than the ones they criticize. You will hear less. Battle of wits in the academic sector hey?
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    • Author by Clownbaby (June 15, 2009 3:05 pm ET)
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      A major problem with all of this is the false left-right paradigm. The people involved with all of these incidents do not believe in the freedom of individuals, equality under the law for all, or due process. Are those "right wing" positions? Is it "right wing" to worship Hitler (who, btw, was a "National Socialist")? Is it "right wing" to kill an abortion doctor, rather than work to change the law to make his practice illegal? What does it mean to be a "right wing extremist" to begin with?

      I find that this left-right distinction only drives people apart. Most of us believe in the freedom of individuals, due process, and the Constitutional republic that our country was intended to be. While it may be good for liberal or neo-conservative blogs, its not good for the republic. The actions of a few evil people should be understood as such, when the situation calls for it. And it appears that these folks were lone nuts who acted alone. Vilifying a vague group like "right wing extremist" is only sure to pull people apart, rather than bring people together.
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      • Author by Disputed Zone (June 15, 2009 4:27 pm ET)
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        I agree that it's wrong to focus on where these individuals fall in the political spectrum. It's safe to say that they are all well outside of the mainstream. In short, they're sick.

        However, it's conservatives in the media who are playing to the irrational fears of these nuts with baseless conspiracy theories and alarmist rhetoric.
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    • Author by latanza (June 15, 2009 3:13 pm ET)
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      Eric good job. Now associate this type of press coverage to the victimization presidents already holding office. you see, I find it ironic that no one running is ever hurt or attempted to murder. The incitement is strategic and the Reps no the strength of media and the behavior of the public to paranoia. Adjust this to the misuse of media and the expansion of "Rusch" and other radio personalities who spread hate. why does the FCC allow it and television doesn't? is is that there is high visibility to the movement or what?
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    • Author by Tate (June 15, 2009 8:49 pm ET)
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      If you listen to everyone you will hear 10x more hate on the Left. I am not on either side, but in the middle with the normal people. The right cares more about the Country and the left cares more about people but do very little to help EVERYONE!
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