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FOXLEAKS: Bill Sammon's October Surprise

How A Top Fox Editor Tried To Tie Obama To Socialism

February 01, 2011 1:22 pm ET by Eric Hananoki

During the final days of the 2008 presidential race, Bill Sammon used his position as a top Fox News editor to engage in a campaign to link then-Sen. Barack Obama to "Marxists" and "socialism," internal Fox documents and a review of his televised appearances show.

On October 27, 2008, Sammon sent an email to colleagues highlighting what he described as "Obama's references to socialism, liberalism, Marxism and Marxists" in his 1995 autobiography Dreams From My Father. Shortly after sending the email, Sammon -- then the network's Washington deputy managing editor -- appeared on two Fox News programs to discuss his research and also wrote a FoxNews.com piece about Obama's "affinity to Marxists" that was disseminated throughout the conservative blogosphere. 

From: Sammon, Bill
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:02 PM
To: 069 -Politics; 169 -SPECIAL REPORT; 030 -Root (FoxNews.Com)
Subject: fyi: Obama's references to socialism, liberalism, Marxism and Marxists in his autobiography, "Dreams from My Father." Plus a couple of his many self-described "racial obsessions"...

* "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists." (Obama writing about his time at Occidental College in "Dreams.") 

* After his sophomore year, Obama transferred to Columbia University. He lived on Manhattan's Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for "thesocialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union," he recalled, adding: "Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal."

* After graduating from Columbia in 1983, Obama spent a year working for a consulting firm and then went to work for "a Ralph Nader offshoot" in Harlem. "In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of SNCC and Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia. At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature."

During this period, according to Obama, he began a serious romantic relationship.

* "There was a woman in New York that I loved. She was white," Obama wrote in "Dreams." "We saw each other for almost a year. On the weekends, mostly. Sometimes in her apartment, sometimes in mine. You know how you can fall into your own private world? Just two people, hidden and warm. Your own language. Your own customs." But Obama said their relationship was doomed by the racial difference. "I pushed her away," he recalled."The emotion between the races could never be pure; even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing from ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."

* In June 1985, Obama was interviewed in New York by Marty Kaufman, a community organizer from Chicago. Obama recalled: "There was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

By that evening, the subject line of Sammon's email had been inserted -- word-for-word -- into show notes written in preparation for the next morning's Fox & Friends, which featured an appearance by Sammon.

The information in Sammon's email wasn't exactly breaking news. He had already published essentially the same research about Obama's 1995 memoir a year earlier in his book Meet the Next President. But Sammon, who has since been promoted to Washington managing editor, believed the "biased" media were failing to question Obama's purported links to radicals and socialism. Sammon also believed Sen. John McCain's campaign could gain momentum by capitalizing on those links.

For weeks, Sammon had used Fox's airwaves to promote efforts to tie Obama to socialism. On October 14, 2008, Sammon said that Obama's "spread the wealth" remark to Joe the Plumber "is red meat when you're talking to conservatives and you start talking about spread the wealth around. That is tantamount to socialism." 

Sammon repeated the "tantamount to socialism" line about Obama's remark later that day, stating: "That's anathema to conservatives. That's the same as saying spread the misery around. That's basically tantamount to socialism. And that bothers a lot of people. So I think if McCain is going to have any chance of moving ahead, he's got to turn this economic discussion from something that's been hurting him for the last couple of weeks to something that can help him by focusing on what to do about the economy in the future." 

On October 21, 2008, Sammon appeared on Greta Van Susteren's show, where he referred to Bill Ayers "talking about being a Marxist." Sammon then said, "I have read Barack Obama's books pretty carefully, and he in his own words talks about being drawn to Marxists. ... Now all this stuff's coming out about whether he's a socialist. I don't know why anyone is surprised by it, because if you read his own words and his sort of, you know, orientation coming up as a liberal through college and as a young man, it's not a huge shock."

Sammon appeared on Fox & Friends' October 25, 2008, program and said that the McCain campaign "has now picked up this socialism word on their own, and they're running with it. I think it's their one opportunity that they have to turn this economy into something that actually works for their campaign because as you know, for weeks the economy has been killing the McCain campaign and I think this helps them."

Then, on October 27, 2008, the Drudge Report posted audio of a 2001 radio interview with Obama. Fox News and conservative commentators distorted the interview, with some falsely claiming that Obama said it was a "tragedy" that the Supreme Court had not pursued "redistribution of wealth."

It was in this context Sammon sent his "Marxism" email to journalists at Fox.

Less than 90 minutes after sending the email, Sammon appeared on the October 27, 2008, broadcast of Fox's Live Desk -- one of Fox's supposedly straight news daytime programs -- to discuss, in co-anchor Martha MacCallum's words, how "quotes that you found earlier in one of Barack Obama's books" relate to questions about whether Obama's policies are "socialism." Sammon said Obama was "drawn to Marxists" and "socialists." Sammon declared that Obama had been posturing "as a moderate" when "his heart is really towards the hard left."  

"If you read the autobiography of Barack Obama as I have done, his first autobiography, it's very telling," Sammon said. "He talks about these words that are being tossed around now. Socialism, liberalism, and Marxism came up in this Biden interview with this TV anchor, and Barack Obama talks about these terms in his books. And he was drawn to Marxists, and he was drawn to liberals, and he was drawn to socialists by his own admission as a young man."

MacCallum responded that Obama's past writings are "relevant at this time" because "there's been so much discussion about socialism, and Marxism."

When asked if he thought Obama might have changed his views over time, Sammon suggested Obama had not. Sammon cited the National Journal's ranking of "Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate" and said: "It wasn't just some random thing. He really is a liberal guy despite the way he postures, and has sort of been portrayed by the mainstream media as a very reasonable moderate kind of guy."

The next morning, October 28, 2008, Sammon appeared on Fox & Friends to discuss, in co-host Gretchen Carlson's words, how Obama "might agree" with claims that he's linked to Marxism. Sammon again quoted Obama's writing to claim he "may be a little bit more liberal than he presents himself."

Internal show notes compiled by Fox News producer Jennifer Cunningham in preparation for the program show that the segment was built around Sammon's email.

----- Original Message -----
From: Cunningham, Jennifer
To: 044 -Web Show Producers; 064 -Desk Assignment; 069 -Politics; 081- Radio; 085 - DC Booking; 100 -Media Relations; 162 -Promos; Brown, David; Glick, Alexis; Magee, Kevin; Moody, John; Scott, Suzanne; Shine, Bill; Tammero, Michael; Wallace, Jay
Sent: Mon Oct 27 18:17:41 2008
Subject:  FOX & FRIENDS GUESTS FOR TUESDAY OCTOBER. 28 - EXACTLY 1 WEEK BEFORE ELECTION DAY

FOX & FRIENDS GUESTS FOR TUESDAY OCTOBER. 28 - EXACTLY 1 WEEK BEFORE ELECTION DAY

5:59 (A-BLOCK) COLD OPEN // QUICK TEASE

// News HEADLINES // TALKING POINTS 

WX BUMP OUT TO TEASE

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6:15 (B-BLOCK) - 2 STORIES

AMANDA CARPENTER - DEMS PLAYBOOK SHOWS DIRTY TACTICS  ((DC BUREAU))

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6:22 (C-BLOCK) - 2 STORIES ((ANCHOR))

& BILL SAMMON - FYI: OBAMA'S REFERENCES TO SOCIALISM, LIBERALISM, MARXISM AND MARXISTS IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY, "DREAMS FROM MY FATHER." PLUS A COUPLE OF HIS MANY SELF-DESCRIBED "RACIAL OBSESSIONS"... (( FOX DC ))

>> BDAY IN TEASE

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"Joe Biden calls links to Obama and Marxism ridiculous, but there's somebody that might agree with those statements: Barack Obama," Carlson began. "He writes in his book Dreams From My Father that in college, he chose his friends carefully so as not to appear a sellout. Among his friends, Marxist professors; among his activities, attending socialist conferences."

Carlson asked Sammon to respond to the Obama campaign's statement that attempts to link Obama to socialism were, in Carlson's words, "a fake news story and that Fox is to blame for it."

"Well I say that it's interesting to go back and look at what this young guy's political leanings were when he was in college and shortly after college, and it is interesting," Sammon replied. "I mean, now that the words Marxist and socialist are being thrown around out there in the news cycle I thought it was interesting to go back and revisit what Barack himself said about Marxists and socialists in his book and it turns out he was drawn to Marxists and socialists as a young man."

Sammon added, "Now, let's be clear, I mean people had political ideologies in college that they don't necessarily have later in life. But I do think it indicates that he may be a little bit more liberal than he presents himself." Sammon went on to cite Obama's National Journal ranking. (For criticism of the National Journal ranking, see here.) 

Sammon's attempts to link Obama to radicalism were reflected in Fox News' graphics. While Sammon spoke, on-air text read: "The Real Barack Obama; Aligned W/ Marxists, Socialists"; "Obama's Radical Past; Chose Friends W/ Marxist"; "Obama's Chosen Friends; Marxist Profs & Structural Feminists"; and "Obama's Racial Divide; 'Emotion B/W Races Never Be Pure.'"

That same day, October 28, 2008, FoxNews.com posted a piece by Sammon under the headline: "Obama Affinity to Marxists Dates Back to College Days."

Sammon wrote: "Obama laughs off charges of socialism. ... But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34. Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles."

Sammon added, "Obama has been widely criticized for choosing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an anti-American firebrand, as his pastor. Wright is a purveyor of black liberation theology, which analysts say is based in part on Marxist ideas."

Sammon was frustrated with other media outlets' coverage of Obama.

"Let me be clear: The media is biased," Sammon said on the October 23, 2008, edition of Live Desk. "I have spent a lifetime in the media. I spent ten years as a White House correspondent surrounded by my friends from other major news organizations. They're liberals. They just are."

On the October 27, 2008, edition of Live Desk, while discussing Obama's Dreams passages, Sammon complained that the media weren't forcing Obama to reconcile his campaign platform with the excerpts from his memoir.

"I hate to blame the media for everything, but he just hasn't been asked those kinds of tough questions."                          

In February 2009, Sammon became the managing editor of Fox's Washington, D.C., bureau.

In a staff memo announcing the promotion, John Moody, then-Fox News executive vice president of news editorial, thanked Sammon for bringing "energy, leadership and inspired thinking to his role as Deputy Managing editor over the past six months."




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    • Author by nerzog (February 01, 2011 1:56 pm ET)
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      Sammon is a hack. He's typical of the faux "journalists" who populate the Republican Propaganda Mill.
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      • Author by Bad News (February 01, 2011 2:19 pm ET)
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        Republican Propaganda Mill?
        Bill Sammon? Didn't he give Megyn Kelly her Start? Didn't he "Seal" the Deal?
        MMFA makes it sound like a Far-Right Conspiracy to label President Obama as The Other.
        Next you'll be saying that Fox News went out of their way to attack Obama's Dead Mother.

        Speak truth to power.


        Mr. News
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        • Author by Bad News (February 01, 2011 7:54 pm ET)
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          Granted my Sarcasm is Sharp, but it shouldn't be incomprehensible.
          Fox News did attack Obama's Mother & i was trying to Expose their Lack of Principal.
          In my writings i'll always be on the side of The Just & to The Enemy i will never Cower.
          For i am "The Poet", Billo the Clown's Nemesis, The Tower of Power, Too Sweet to Be Sour.

          Speak truth to power.


          Mr. News
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          • Author by Festus (February 02, 2011 2:26 am ET)
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            Principals are people who run schools (FYI) and principles are what youlack.
            So quit trying to be funny in verse form, cuz you ain't,
            You be just another left winger hack.
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            • Author by Bad News (February 02, 2011 3:56 am ET)
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              Mr. Haggen, you are correct, please excuse my lack of grammar.
              If i'm wrong i'll always admit it & refrain from lowering the Hammer.
              you know, i was always a big Gunsmoke Fan, especially when it came to Ms. Kitty.
              I heard she died of AIDS, but unlike you "Festus", of her there is no reason to pity.

              Speak truth to power.


              Mr. News
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              • Author by Festus (February 03, 2011 1:54 am ET)
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                Everytime you write "Speak truth to power",
                Makes a conservative just want to shower.
                Because a bright person knows facts are this,
                You're not just full of vinegar,
                You're just full of pi$$.
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        • Author by mari2jj (February 03, 2011 12:20 am ET)
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          I have been a Republican since I could vote and I am now in my late 70s. I can say categorically that Bill Sammon and people like him NEVER speak fro me. I totally repudiate (and not refudiate) his comments as just old garden - variety racist swill. I know that some will defend this racist shill but not me. He is nothing but a hate monger. But in the end, he will not have to answer to anyone but God and unless he changes a lot, it will not be pretty.
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      • Author by yoiksaway (February 01, 2011 5:21 pm ET)
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        Wow. Washington Times, Washington Examiner, wrote books like Strategery...

        With a resume like that, there is nowhere to go but Skid Row.
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      • Author by kamrom (February 02, 2011 11:01 am ET)
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        I liked when the guy said its important because "there's been so much discussion about socialism, and Marxism." Yeah, from the right, there has been. from the one group he's a part of, yeah, there has been. But if we try to point out the awful things these folks are part of (insane churches, insane gun rhetoric, etc..) then we're the bad guys and distorting. Among other much worse and wholly unsubstantiated allegations.
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      • Author by kamrom (February 02, 2011 11:18 am ET)
           
        I liked when the guy said its important because "there's been so much discussion about socialism, and Marxism." Yeah, from the right, there has been. from the one group he's a part of, yeah, there has been. But if we try to point out the awful things these folks are part of (insane churches, insane gun rhetoric, etc..) then we're the bad guys and distorting. Sheesh.
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      • Author by Turey (February 02, 2011 5:02 pm ET)
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        Yes, this guy looks like the cat that ate the canary without leaving any evidence of it.
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      • Author by mari2jj (February 03, 2011 3:05 am ET)
           
        My third grade great grandchild checked this out and she says this guy obviously cannot even check out reputable sites so he just makes stuff up from some silly site that has no credibility. However, I know thse Texas Schools have only those really slanted Democratic reference books available for research so perhaps they are wrong, eh? These racist clowns will never q
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      • Author by mari2jj (February 03, 2011 3:05 am ET)
           
        My third grade great grandchild checked this out and she says this guy obviously cannot even check out reputable sites so he just makes stuff up from some silly site that has no credibility. However, I know thse Texas Schools have only those really slanted Democratic reference books available for research so perhaps they are wrong, eh? These racist clowns will never q
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    • Author by srobbins (February 01, 2011 2:09 pm ET)
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      Of course, you don't even need to go into what it means to be a "socialist," or whether or not such policies would be good for the weakening middle class. Everyone knows that socialists have horns and a forked tail.
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    • Author by Kid Funkadelic (February 01, 2011 2:09 pm ET)
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      When will the FBI investigate Bill Sammon on him saying that he knows of election fraud in Cleveland? BTW Bill, if the President is the most Socialist Senator in the Senate what about Bernie Sanders, Democrattic Socialist?

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      • Author by CoolSlaw (February 01, 2011 2:42 pm ET)
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        Any democrat since Clinton who runs for national office is "the most liberal senator, governor, representative, etc."

        John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Tom Daschle, and many more have all held this honor at one time, generally at the time when they announce a candidacy, or are being considered for a prominent cabinet or leadership role.

        I think the take home lesson from this article, is that if you had an interesting young life and aspire to high office or great things, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. Lie like George W Bush Did about his coke and AWOL days. The new right wing media has further proven they will stop at nothing to destroy their opponents, and in the process they've made it a liability to be honest about your youth. Thank you Bill Sammon, for dragging down the discourse yet again.
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          • Author by congero6189599 (February 02, 2011 9:51 am ET)
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            Not if we smell you first!
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            • Author by Festus (February 03, 2011 2:07 am ET)
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              Imitation is the best form of flattery.

              And since you use the term "smell" indicating present tense, and not smelled (the past tense form) you indicate that I, not you (or 'we'), initially came up with your odoriferous remnants, not mine.
              Gee, thanks for factualizing my claim to your stench. Literally, figuratively and politically.
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          • Author by CoolSlaw (February 02, 2011 1:30 pm ET)
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            Yeah yeah, and every Democrat is depicted as a pompous windbag on Saturday Night Live just as every Republican is depicted as a clumsy buffoon. That's just comedy, and it's not like when these political organizations and PACs and think tanks deliberately lie and use really weird and questionable criteria to advance a false claim about the political leanings of a candidate. When those claims and "findings" are then repeated and spread by television "news" organizations, it's quite a different thing then Chevy Chase or Will Farrell Phil Hartman or Darrel Hammond using stereotypes for laughs on a comedy sketch show.

            Your equivalence falls flat, and the record clearly shows that Democrats who run for national office tend to be more centrist and DLC oriented then the vast majority of the rank and file house and senate members of their party.

            Truth is, most liberals wish the most powerful democrats were the most liberal, but that's the reality of the situation here.

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            • Author by Festus (February 03, 2011 2:15 am ET)
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              "Truth is, most liberals wish the most powerful democrats were the most liberal, but that's the reality of the situation here."

              You are quite scary when pontificating this clap trap.

              You almost admitted that when combining Obamacare with Roe v Wade abortions can be legal until the foetus becomes 26 years old.
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              • Author by Conchobhar (February 03, 2011 2:46 pm ET)
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                You've twisted and turned, torturing logic and sense so much in this thread that you're in dire need of a chiropractic psychiatrist.
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          • Author by Jeremy Danials (February 02, 2011 3:39 pm ET)
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            If you are refering to Jack Ryan, that wasn't Obama. That was Jack Ryan's former wife, Star Trek: Voyager's Jeri Ryan, who divorced Ryan because of his addiction for dragging Jeri to Parisan sex clubs, as well as sex clubs in New York City as well. Obama, as with Egypt, said that he was not going to comment on the situation. Jack did. Jack Ryan sued to keep the details of his divorce secret, which only fueled the tabloid's appetite for digging into people's business. They leaked the info, Ryan had to bow out due to the scandal. The Republicans ran retread candidate Keyes against Obama.

            Obama destroyed Keyes.

            See YOU later!
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            • Author by Festus (February 03, 2011 2:42 am ET)
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              "Obama destroyed Keyes."

              He also destroyed his majority in the House. And nearly lost the Senate.

              Your point?
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              • Author by Jeremy Danials (February 03, 2011 12:05 pm ET)
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                No, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, and John Roberts destroyed the Democratic majority in the house because of Citizens United. That ruling allowed the election to be bought and paid for by the corporations, as well as foreign interests.

                Is all you have neocon anarchist talking points? Oh wait, you're a troll here, that IS all you have.

                Life says you fail.
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        • Author by kamrom (February 02, 2011 11:05 am ET)
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          Indeed. It doesnt even reflect reality, cause there are tons of true reports based on voting records of degrees of liberalism. The folks that win the presidency are far and away not the "most liberal." Obama's nowhere near that top spot. I mean he actually loosend restrictions on gun laws, letting people bring them to places they never could before. Thats not a liberal position.

          But if the rightwingers ever understood this, they'd go supercritical and we'd be destroyed as the logic negates the rightwing populous and the universe blows us up to fill in the gap created by their sudden departure from reality.
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      • Author by my4cents (February 01, 2011 10:19 pm ET)
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        Far far left socialist senator? /sarcasm
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    • Author by YouTubeJEFF9K (February 01, 2011 2:10 pm ET)
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      Sounds like Sammon is the only one at Fox News that actually read Obama's book. And these people are journalists? Reminds me of all the people on the right who talk about the Bible but have never read it.
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    • Author by draftedin68 (February 01, 2011 2:18 pm ET)
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      Well, there it is.

      Glenn Beck needn't worry any longer.

      Support for his accusations against President Obama - every fact anyone could ever ask for, proof-positive, rock-solid evidence for immediate impeachment - is as close as his inbox.

      I wonder if we'll ever see a wikileaks-type dump from Sammon's e-mail archive?

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      • Author by CoolSlaw (February 01, 2011 2:48 pm ET)
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        Even simpler, all he needs to do is spend some of his nutty conspiracy show money to pick up a copy of Obama's autobiography, and he can learn the sinister fact that President Obama was pretty typical as a young intellectual college student.
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          • Author by ScienceBuff (February 02, 2011 8:53 am ET)
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            Typical college students' thesis papers are accessible to scrutiny. - Festus

            No, they aren't. Fail. Again.
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          • Author by pecst1 (February 02, 2011 9:56 am ET)
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            What?! Accessible to scrutiny? Yeah, by my professor at the time when he/she was grading them but no one archived them. WTF are you talking about?
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            • Author by mari2jj (February 02, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
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              You know, when you have nothing to bolster your point of view, it is just the "make it up" approach. And they never let the truth stand in their way of twisting facts to fit THEIR scenario. That is the problem with such ideologues. As a life long moderate Republican, I find them very embarrassing. When one has to lie to make a point, it totally destroys their statement's veracity.
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              • Author by Festus (February 03, 2011 2:24 am ET)
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                Ok, ok.

                I admit defeat.

                I'll just scrutinize Obama's two biographies written before he did anything truly important like winning the Nobel Prize. Back when he was attending Rev Wright's church and when his grandmother was a "typical white woman"

                The evidence is there about how he really feels about the country and it's people.

                Oh, I heard he ran for President of the United States.

                Fill me in on the results.....
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                • Author by Festus (February 03, 2011 2:37 am ET)
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                  Oh, were the results archived so 238 presidential scholars could scrutinize the outcome (considering Obama's father was otherwise nonexistent).

                  "by mari2jj (February 02, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
                  You know, when you have nothing to bolster your point of view, it is just the "make it up" approach."

                  Did Obama just make up that he had a father to prove he was a "natural born citizen"?
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            • Author by wwjbd (February 02, 2011 2:34 pm ET)
                 
              Where was that passion when Ryan was running for election? He was the guy who Obama beat out for Senate.
              His divorce records were sealed by both parties and the court, but the newspaper felt it was "accessible to scrutiny".

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          • Author by pecst1 (February 02, 2011 9:56 am ET)
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            What?! Accessible to scrutiny? Yeah, by my professor at the time when he/she was grading them but no one archived them. WTF are you talking about?
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          • Author by pecst1 (February 02, 2011 10:13 am ET)
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            What?! Accessible to scrutiny? Yeah, by my professor at the time when he/she was grading them but no one archived them. WTF are you talking about?
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          • Author by CoolSlaw (February 02, 2011 1:33 pm ET)
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            Typical college students' thesis papers are accessible to scrutiny.

            How about Obama's?

            Copy on MMFA please.


            Ohhh! And the evil conspiracy is exposed! Next we should ask him to show us his birth certificate...oh wait, they did ask, and he showed them? Uh huh...and they still don't believe him?

            Weird.
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            • Author by CenterRight (February 03, 2011 2:42 am ET)
                 
              I thought Neil Abercrombie already cleared up for once and for all the whole birth certificate conspiracy mess.
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            • Author by Festus (February 03, 2011 2:46 am ET)
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              Nah, I just want to see his certificate of "live birth"

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              • Author by CenterRight (February 03, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
                   
                A few months ago Governor Abercrombie said he will release more explicit documentation to put this whole birth controversy to rest. As he said, why not just simply authenticate this and let the facts speak for themselves - I agree with the Governor a look forward to seeing the facts.
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          • Author by Progressive_IL (February 02, 2011 3:29 pm ET)
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            How many professors actually bother to save term papers or thesis papers from past school years? Answer: not many. Why can't anyone find President Obama's thesis? Answer: he didn't write one. Harvard Law didn't require any sort of thesis paper to complete a degree until years after he'd graduated.

            Having seen your writing proficiency on display here at MMFA, I'd bet that most of *your* old professors who accepted final papers just up and burned them.
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          • Author by n'est-ce pas (February 02, 2011 9:55 pm ET)
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            What public school was it you taught for again, Festus? Because it doesn't seem like you know very much that's worth passing on. What thesis paper did President Obama write? He's got a Bachelors in Poli-Sci and a JD from Harvard. Neither of those degrees require a thesis paper.

            You didn't go to college, did you? Because anyone with a college education would have known that. Why did you lie about being a teacher?
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            • Author by erock33 (February 02, 2011 10:38 pm ET)
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              n'cest

              I have to thank you for a previous reply to one of my post in which you stated I must be a wingnut whose ass you haven't kick yet. The mental picture of you with a little fairy french screenname trying to kick anyone's ass had me laughing so hard it hurt....in fact, probably hurt more than anything your wimpy ass could do to anyone physically.

              People like you who threaten how bad ass they are on seldom seen (and for MMFA I mean really really seldom seen) comment sections of websites are usually the biggest p*ssies on the planet. Now go back to your parents basement, curl up in the fetal position and have a good cry.
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              • Author by n'est-ce pas (February 02, 2011 11:10 pm ET)
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                Aw, sweetheart. You need to troll on through some of the other threads full of mouthbreathing sycophants who thought they had the chops to debate with me. When I say "kick your ass," I mean it in the only way one can mean it on an Internet forum. I mean intellectually. On any topic. In any form. You keep posting here, dumb random wingnut. Sooner or later I'll find you saying something stupid and I'll deconstruct you like I've deconstructed a long line of random dumb wingnuts, and you'll stop posting here or you'll become a drive-by troll like they all did.

                Cuz I'm a trollkiller, assclown. And you're a troll.
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                • Author by erock33 (February 03, 2011 11:46 am ET)
                     
                  Little french fairy one (both physically and intellectually), why don't you find a job first and become less of a social parasite instead of ranting and raving about your superior intellect. Then, maybe, just maybe you could move out of your parents basement.
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                  • Author by n'est-ce pas (February 03, 2011 3:00 pm ET)
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                    You know what liberals find really fascinating about wingnuts? That their fantasies always include homosexuality and physical domination. You don't know anything about me, but you immediately begin constructing a fantasy in which I'm gay and smaller than you. Kind of a giveaway about your own inner turmoil, don't you think? Being a closeted gay in a paleo-conservative's body has got to be hell. If you weren't such a dick, I'd feel sorry for you.

                    Oh, and I've got a full-time job, thanks. I don't know how you ever managed to construct such an original wingnut bon mot as "You don't have a job and you live in your mom's basement." That's something nobody has every said anywhere before. You should copyright it.

                    Really, darling boy, you have got to do better. Maybe tell me to get out of the country because I obviously hate it so much. Or, better, tell me that I should have served in the military because the Konstitooshun says that nobody can criticize 'murika unless they've first killed some unarmed brown people. These are just suggestions, "mind" you. Feel free to break into avant garde territory, if you've got any ideas. Anyways, have fun at the NAMBLA confab. Say hi to Rush!
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            • Author by Festus (February 03, 2011 3:04 am ET)
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              I've taught in several schools.

              In fact, just today I substituted for a woodshop teacher helping students on several projects (woodstools, lathing table legs, a chairswing). Then I went to my nighttime job as school custodian (a job Americans don't do) at a grade school for 4 hours and the middle school for 2 hours.

              14 hours total today.

              And on the way home I stopped by the local store for a six pack (no, my name's not Joe) and the clerk that helped me asked, "you were a substitute teacher weren't you?"

              "Still am." I told Jeri the clerk (her name badge gave her away).

              She told me the school she went to and I asked, "when did you graduate?"

              "2009"

              Next Festus question, "are you going to college?"

              "I did but I quit." She said.

              Festus then stated firmly as he grabbed his six pack,"go to college, whatever it takes, finish college!"

              Ya, us conservatives are ogres.

              Ain't we?

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              • Author by n'est-ce pas (February 03, 2011 8:20 am ET)
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                Well, one, I don't think conservatives are ogres. I also don't think you're a conservative. I think you're a wingnut.

                Two, janitor isn't a job most people would aspire to, but there are no jobs Americans won't do.

                Three, you implied that you were a teacher, which would require a college degree. I think we both know you don't have one. No shame in that, I didn't even START my degree until my 30s, and only finished it by the good graces of the GI Bill. But pretending you have one, or implying you're in a profession in which one is required, that's just dishonest.

                But I'll give you props on pushing kids toward higher education. That's a good thing you did.
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    • Author by beDecent (February 01, 2011 2:44 pm ET)
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      If Obama were a socialist, he would have let all of Bush's tax cuts expire as scheduled.

      And we'd see a healthier economy much more quickly than we ever will.
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      • Author by guynamedjoe (February 01, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
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        Really?
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        • Author by curiousindependent (February 01, 2011 3:36 pm ET)
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          No, not really. It is sound economic policy to cut your income while you are waging two completely unnecessary wars. Bringing in more money to pay debts is simply crazy.
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        • Author by Aeval (February 01, 2011 3:56 pm ET)
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          Really!

          In their "Pledge to America" they promised to stop the economic stimulus, they simply don't want to stimulate the US economy, and did everything they could to stop Obama administration to do it too.
          Fortunately they failed in stopping Obama and economical stimulus, but succeeded in slowing down the recovery after the economic downturn in US.
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      • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 01, 2011 3:59 pm ET)
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        The economy is going nowhere but down.

        With the price of oil continually rising, everything is going to rise.

        Oil runs the world.
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        • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 01, 2011 4:01 pm ET)
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          I am not blaming Obama either. It wouldn't matter who is president.
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        • Author by cugagcmu805031 (February 01, 2011 5:13 pm ET)
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          I agree. Oil does run the world, but if this is taken as a given, why are there so many attempts in this country to defeat the development of alternative forms of energy? IMO, it is very misguided to know something, have a possible solution, and reject the solution to maintain the status quo. The only answer I come up with is greed, and the drive to keep us sucking up oil to protect the profits of Big Oil. I have never understood why it's not possible to develop our oil resources in a responsible manner while working on developing alternative sources of energy at the same time. It's a win-win situation. I can even envision the oil companies developing alternative fuels that could keep them in business also.
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          • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 01, 2011 5:29 pm ET)
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            The issue is that oil is used for much more than just an energy source. So many good are made from oil, without it our way of life is going to change drastically. Tires, glue, tennis rackets, roads, medicines, telephones, etc. all are made using oil.

            So even if we do come up with an alternative energy source, we will no longer be able to produce anything that will require it.

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            • Author by RealTruthseeker (February 01, 2011 6:21 pm ET)
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              You bring up an interesting point. However, a few things about it:

              First of all, the objective is not "zero-use". The objective is to create alternatives so we are not so dependent upon foreign oil for our energy consumption. Check out this link for the the use of a 42-gallon barrel of oil:

              http://www.txoga.org/articles/308/1/WHAT-A-BARREL-OF-CRUDE-OIL-MAKES

              All but 3-gallons in each barrel is used for fuel manufacturing of some sort. By advancing technology and giving entrepreneurs incentive to change the ways we make fuels and goods, we create jobs in America... and we reduce dependence on foreign oil -- and oil in general.

              You're right. The rising cost of oil is no President's fault, per se. It's all our fault for not having the push for creating alternative energy sources with a concentrated energy policy. I spoke with a fuel wholesaler just this week who says it's tremendously possible that we'll be paying $4 to $5 a gallon for gas by the end of 2012. China is putting 13,000 more cars on the road a day. As we start coming out of our economic doldrums, our own energy consumption increases. Recall, gas prices plummeted because of the recession as fuel use collapsed. Add to that increasing demand by the much larger, and quickly developing populations in China and India... and we can easily tap the world oil supply in unprecented fashion worldwide. And the Chinese and Indians are making tires, glue, tennis rackets, roads, etc., too.

              So, I agree, we need to develop more of our own oil sources. However, we can never produce enough to impact the price of oil on the world market. The key is alternative energy, technology, and innovation.
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              • Author by usp (February 01, 2011 8:46 pm ET)
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                the objective is to create alternatives so we are not so dependent upon foreign oil for our energy consumption.

                i sure think this is the biggest point you made. it's not about the extreme ends- it's about moderation and spreading out your debt like your investments- so when something goes haywire? it's just one of many...
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              • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 01, 2011 10:52 pm ET)
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                The problem is, nothing will ever be as efficient as oil has been over the past 100 years. We may come up with another energy source, lets say electric cars.

                If you have never seen it I recommend a documentary called Collapse (It is on NetFlix if you have it). It is very interesting and will open your eyes to the real problem we, as a planet, face. Also the man featured it in, Michael Ruppert, is a very knowledgeable person, look him up on YouTube.

                There is a term mentioned in it called Peak Oil, explaining that we have already extracted more than 50% of the world oil supply. He links it to the spike in population over the past 100 years, the argument he makes is irrefutable.

                Oil is not just an energy source, it is the reason 90% of earths population exists.
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                • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 01, 2011 10:54 pm ET)
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                  I forgot to finish my point on electric cars.

                  What I was going to say is that although we may come up with alternative sources of energy, there is a great chance that what ever uses that energy is made using oil.
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                • Author by sallfham (February 02, 2011 12:24 am ET)
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                  "the argument he makes is irrefutable..."

                  I watched the video. Its arguments are easily rebuttable are neither refutable or irrefutable, because they are largely forecasts of future events based on unsourced, or poorly sourced data.

                  Mr. Ruppert is one of a long line of doomsayers and prophets. His accuracy can be tested only with time.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (February 02, 2011 11:04 am ET)
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                  nothing will ever be as efficient as oil has been over the past 100 years

                  Boy, your faith in the scientific community is, well, lacking.

                  (oil) is the reason 90% of earths population exists.

                  Huh? Wouldn't that be mommies and daddies making little babies all over the world?

                  Actually, it's BEER that has made the earth the way it is today. There's a documentary on Netflix about that as well. Beer is responsible for writing, the construction of the pyramids, automated factories, among other things.
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                  • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 02, 2011 11:38 am ET)
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                    You make the dumbest contributions.

                    How about you actually watch the documentary.
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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (February 02, 2011 12:17 pm ET)
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                      No, I don't make the dumbest contributions. Thanks for the smear, though.

                      I might watch your documentary. But then again, I already know about peak oil and the influence oil has had on history. Did you know that Japan attacked us because of oil?

                      Why don't you watch the documentary on beer? You might learn something.
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                      • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 02, 2011 1:07 pm ET)
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                        What might I learn? That when you drink beer you think of crazy things?
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                        • Author by foghornleghorn (February 02, 2011 2:27 pm ET)
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                          Ignorance is not bliss, FNNBT. You might learn alot of things. Here's some facts from the documentary:

                          The pilgrims landed where they did because they ran out of beer. Great sea journeys and explorations were made possible because of beer.

                          Beer allowed the American colonies to grow.

                          Beer was involved in the first known writings when the ancients had to document the method for making beer.

                          Beer was the driving force for an agrarian economy and the creation of cities.

                          Beer was the driving economic force for centuries because potable water was nearly always unavailable.

                          Beer was the reason that microbes were discovered.

                          Beer was responsible for the first automated factory (beer bottles).
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                          • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 02, 2011 2:56 pm ET)
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                            Now that is some need to know information.

                            You are right, none of that would have been possible without beer.
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                            • Author by ScienceBuff (February 02, 2011 3:20 pm ET)
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                              You are right, none of that would have been possible without beer. - Fox News - Nothing But Truth

                              Except that foghornleghorn didn't actually say that. In fact, you just made his point. While all of those innovations came about because of beer, that doesn't mean they wouldn't have occurred at other times for other reasons without it. Similarly, all of the innovations made possible by petroleum would also have been accomplished without it at another time by other means.
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                              • Author by foghornleghorn (February 02, 2011 3:29 pm ET)
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                                Yes, and I will add that beer is better than oil because no wars have been fought over beer and beer will not run out as long as we can grow the proper grains. And you can't get your buzz on with a tall glass of crude.

                                I was floored by that documentary. It was called "How Beer Saved the World".
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                              • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (February 02, 2011 4:35 pm ET)
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                                I did not prove his point at all.

                                Beer being a driving force is not the same as oil being needed to create many of the things we use today.
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                • Author by CoolSlaw (February 02, 2011 1:44 pm ET)
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                  The problem is, nothing will ever be as efficient as oil has been over the past 100 years.


                  That's probably what people thought about the steam engine. Remember that the first automobiles were not sleek and powerful Infiniti sport sedans zipping down the interstate highway that had not yet been developed.

                  Electric cars are a good start, and may be the answer, but we'll never know until we see how things play out. Conservatives USED to stand for innovation and developing new technologies to advance capitalism, science, and international prestige, but those same conservatives are strangely, almost irrationally resistant to developing new technologies to alleviate our overly burdensome dependence on fossil fuel energy.
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          • Author by runnerin1 (February 01, 2011 10:11 pm ET)
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            Have you seen the profits of oil companies as of late? Well, these companies own the politicians, ok. They use the politicians to make sure nothing changes. Why would they change with their profit margin? Nothing will change until the people stand up. By the way the oil industry campaigns are working for at least half the country. Notice the "drill baby drill" crowd. Yes the oil companies, using the politicians they own, have convinced many drilling here for more oil will solve our problems. By the way, if we drill baby drill, what would that do for the oil companies profits?
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        • Author by beDecent (February 01, 2011 5:55 pm ET)
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          The economy has been consistently improving, though; slowly, but surely.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (February 02, 2011 11:00 am ET)
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          The economy is going nowhere but down

          Then why is the Dow above 12,000 for the first time in 2 1/2 years? All this with Egypt in chaos and Obama doing his best to ruin the economy. Explain, please.
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      • Author by skatscan5624 (February 02, 2011 2:53 am ET)
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        Hahaha, Love your sarcasm.
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      • Author by CLiberal76 (February 03, 2011 11:36 am ET)
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        Well, if you weren't a total D-bag, you'd know that Obama wanted the Bush Tax cuts to expire... but since the vote was decided by CONGRESS, there wasn't much he could do about it, could he? It's called "Balance of Power", which is good to temper those extreme arms of government that might aspire to push their Socialistic agenda.
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    • Author by curiousindependent (February 01, 2011 3:29 pm ET)
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      Wouldn't this constitute tampering with an election? How is that legal?
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      • Author by wwjbd (February 02, 2011 2:38 pm ET)
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        y'all didn't complain about dan rather and his forged document.

        And no claimed Obama's book was forged.
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    • Author by FNC Liberal (February 01, 2011 4:21 pm ET)
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      Bossman Sammon isn't the only one. There are other hacks just like him at Fox News. This entire network is run by GOP media hacks.

      I beg Media Matters to do an investigative report on Sammon prior to him coming to Fox News.

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      • Author by Kid Funkadelic (February 02, 2011 5:51 am ET)
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        He worked in Cleveland as a repoorter and at the Washington Examiner. He was the reporter that "broke" the story of the eighteen year old that was registered to vote 72 times by ACORN. The young man did it for a cigarette and a beer each time. It's illegal to give juveniles beer and cigarettes in Cleveland, Ohio. How many virgins are there in paradise again? Convient stores are closed down for doing anything like this. When will someone investigate Mr. Sammon?
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    • Author by clearstate (February 01, 2011 4:32 pm ET)
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      So this hack can write a memo to cover a news story of his choosing and with his own personal spin and the next day they call it "some people say" or "some people are wondering"? This is not journalism at all. Its ideology masked as news and fed to the drooling masses by the shovel full.
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      • Author by grmce (February 01, 2011 10:26 pm ET)
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        It's propaganda at its most basic and we all know who developed those basics, don't we.
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    • Author by cugagcmu805031 (February 01, 2011 5:06 pm ET)
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      I interacted with people from everywhere in the world when I was in undergraduate school at UGA. I simply enjoyed knowing how people from different countries thought, what they believed, what they thought of the U.S. and their thoughts on different forms of government. This exposure to those different than myself allowed me to understand that although people may think different things, they all seem to have some things in common. None of these "adventures" changed my love for this country or my dedication to it. IMO, it is those who don't open themselves up to these types of interactions and experiences that have the most serious problem with viewing those living in their own country and in foreign countries as their sworn enemies.
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      • Author by grmce (February 01, 2011 10:36 pm ET)
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        There is a cultural siege mentality abroad in the U.S. The notion that it is "unpatriotic" to learn from people in other nations is both stifling and stupid.

        If there is any real threat to the U.S. "way of life" it is the nativist, hubris driven cardboard cut-out patriotism that is creating a sort of static society where the only development seems to be putrefaction.
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    • Author by donwelty (February 01, 2011 5:33 pm ET)
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      So everybody at Fox thinks like Glenn Beck?

      No wonder he still works there.

      Fair and balanced? Only if you think that Barry Goldwater and William Buckley are too liberals.
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    • Author by Quiet Tom (February 01, 2011 6:20 pm ET)
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      Sammon says of his friends from other news organizations: "They're liberal. They just are." I would venture to say rather than liberal, they are open-minded.
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      • Author by TXI (February 01, 2011 6:47 pm ET)
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        Anything to the left of the far right tip of the right wing is considered liberal.

        This is why you have people like Dick Lugar, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and Scott Brown getting eviscerated by conservatives now.
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    • Author by Tom J (February 01, 2011 11:29 pm ET)
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      I remember John Moody. He let the Obama madrassa story (January 2007) run and run and run before he FINALLY said that some Fox News people had violated the first rule, of knowing what you're talking about. That was John Gibson of The Big Story, Gretchen Carlson and Steve Doocy, co-hosts of Fox & Friends, and Sean Hannity of Hannity & Colmes. The whole story is at an unofficial Obama wiki with full citations. It was originally on Wikipedia, but it kept getting renamed and moved and recreated with no history trail and with most of the material removed. Which isn't exactly a newflash when it comes to Fox News.
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    • Author by proudazlibrul (February 02, 2011 12:44 am ET)
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      Bill Sammon looks like one of those creepy guys from 'Tim and Eric, awesome show great job', which automatically makes him a creep.
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    • Author by mirreich (February 02, 2011 7:38 am ET)
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      As Fox is so obsessed with it, it is a great idea to read the writings of Marx and think socialist.
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    • Author by Republic (February 02, 2011 11:29 am ET)
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      Wasn't it Obama himself who tied himself to Socialism? His words exactly talked about Redistributive Wealth? Redistributing is Socialism, period. He also recently stated big money guys need to "do more"...i.e. pay more taxes.

      You FS's just don't get it......
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      • Author by ScienceBuff (February 02, 2011 1:01 pm ET)
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        Actually, capitalism is also a wealth redistribution system. Without proper controls and regulation, it's a terribly inefficient one, but regardless, that's what it is.
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    • Author by mcnairbo6573 (February 02, 2011 11:35 am ET)
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      Who's shocked? Everybody knows what Fox is, the left knows they obviously have an agenda and so does the right. You'll note, they dropped the Fair and Balanced baloney since everyone knows they are neither. The real scandal is that Fox News is put on everywhere you go and MSNBC is a premium channel in a lot of the country. People need to start demanding establishments turn off the slanted propoganda that Fox is or they will be boycotted.
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    • Author by Avicenna (February 02, 2011 1:08 pm ET)
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      This is the same network that just broke off Egypt coverage to cover Murdoch's deal with Apple. Since Murdoch can take Beck off the air, and will not, boycott Apple until he does. If you buy an Apple product after this point, you are a hypocrite.
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    • Author by Avicenna (February 02, 2011 1:10 pm ET)
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      this behavior is what has turned thinking, open-minded conservatives against Fox, a Republican stooge machine.

      Signed: A conservative, but NOT a Republican.
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      • Author by project21reps (February 02, 2011 2:48 pm ET)
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        Lets see, you progressive big brother lovers are, at heart, marxist/socialists, as is Obama. Why do you seem to always have a problem when people point this out? Are you ashamed of being marxist? I know Obama isn't ashamed of his marxist leanings, so why are you progressive big brother lovers so into denying that he is a marxist/socialist? The only reason I can gather is that you are ashamed to admit to your beliefs, as you know they regressive and repressive.
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        • Author by ScienceBuff (February 02, 2011 3:13 pm ET)
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          Lets [sic] see, you regressive big brother lovers are, at heart, gerbil molesters, as is Palin. Why do you seem to always have a problem when people point this out? Are you ashamed of being gerbil molesters? I know Palin isn't ashamed of her gerbil molester leanings, so why are you regressive big brother lovers so into denying that she is a gerbil molester? The only reason I can gather is that you are ashamed to admit to your beliefs, as you know they regressive and repressive.

          There. That makes more sense than does the bilge you just spewed and is at least as accurate.
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          • Author by project21reps (February 02, 2011 3:31 pm ET)
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            So, your responce is to insult the palin? And I don't get the connection between you regressive progressive's and palin. As to the gerbil thing, hummmm, so you are into animal cruelty?

            So, now tell me, why are you ashamed to be called a marxist? Are you trying to equate your marxist belief as being akin to gerbil molesting? I really don't see the connection, but apperantly you do.
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            • Author by ScienceBuff (February 02, 2011 3:47 pm ET)
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              If I were a Marxist, I'd be fine with being called a Marxist. However, I'm an American liberal. We American liberals are closer to Adam Smith than we are to Karl Marx. Unfortunately for you, you have an understanding of communism and socialism that is so weak it approaches imbecility.

              Obama is no closer to being a socialist than Palin is to being a gerbil molester. He's possibly farther from it.

              The point of my post was likely very clear to anyone of at least average intelligence. I can understand why it went far over your head.
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                • Author by ScienceBuff (February 02, 2011 4:59 pm ET)
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                  First, a lot of that is nonsense - either false or misrepresented. Secondly, it's what's known as a logical fallacy - guilt by association. EVERY SINGLE STUPID EXAMPLE.

                  Let's see what a real socialist has to say: Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. An excerpt:
                  The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

                  How about the words of Frank Llewellyn, the National Director of the Democratic Socialists of America:
                  "He's not any kind of socialist at all," Llewellyn told me this week. He called the president "a market guy," which is hardly a compliment coming from a man with serious reservations about market capitalism.

                  How about the words of teabagger Ron Paul?
                  "In the technical sense, in the economic definition, he is not a socialist," the Texas Republican said to a smattering of applause at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.
                  "He's a corporatist," Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes "care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country."

                  You should face facts. You are utterly ignorant of what a socialist is, as you are of most other topics. Obama isn't a socialist.
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                  • Author by project21reps (February 02, 2011 5:13 pm ET)
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                    You miss the point, which is that there is plenty of reason why people believe he is a socialists. Only he knows for sure. Nothing you or I can say can prove it one way or the other.
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        • Author by foghornleghorn (February 02, 2011 3:26 pm ET)
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          big brother lovers

          big brother lovers

          Drink!!! Twice!!!
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          • Author by project21reps (February 02, 2011 3:32 pm ET)
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            Hey foggy: I suggested you get help with your drinking problem. I see you failed to take my advice.
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    • Author by CenterRight (February 03, 2011 2:47 am ET)
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      If Sammon believes Obama is a socialist he should keep that to himself. How dare he question our president!
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    • Author by Aries411 (February 03, 2011 5:00 am ET)
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      I don't understand why something can't be done about this guy and I guess Fox in general. They are intentionally reporting out right made up lies.

      Bastards - all of them
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      • Author by gman004 (February 03, 2011 9:54 am ET)
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        Because it is all true moron! You don't have to look very far to see that Obama is a socialist hell bent on bringing down the great oppressor,The United States,he will not suceed,he will only strengthen our resolve as a free nation,under God.
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    • Author by wobble (February 03, 2011 9:09 am ET)
         
      The reason why these kinds of arguments are patently silly is that Fox news commentators repeated use of the terms Marxist, Socialist, Nazi, Muslim and Communist merely reveal that they have little understanding what these terms actually mean. They appear, however, to be aware of the fact that there are a lot of people out there who also do not know what these terms mean but associate them collectively with something negative. Thus both for Fox and its viewers, the terms themselves become interchangeable.
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    • Author by jonasrand (February 03, 2011 11:54 pm ET)
         
      Sammon's smear, brandished constantly by the cult of Fox News disinformation, has proven completely irrelevant due to Obama's actions. If Obama was a socialist, how can Sammon explain the supposed "change" into being a sellout then?

      The truth is Obama was never on the left in the first place. All claims of secret commie conspiracies are baseless fearmongering and redbaiting. And last time I heard, socialists did not support bail-outs for already wealthy capitalists. Some strategy for redistribution of wealth, huh?
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