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The Right's Rising Tide of Violent Rhetoric

January 10, 2011 12:53 pm ET by Eric Boehlert

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords appears be the latest victim of anti-government violence that has taken hold in America since 2009. It’s a wave of violence that’s cresting along with a tide of hateful, insurrectionist rhetoric that far too many conservatives refuse to condemn. Instead, the toxic talk is routinely defended as being nothing more than spirited debate.

It’s not. It’s deadly. And until those in positions of power say so, the dangerous rhetoric is likely to continue.  

Whether that rhetoric played a role in the gun massacre that erupted at the Tucson shopping center on Saturday, we don’t yet know. Note that over the weekend the local Arizona sheriff, Clarence Dupnik, condemned “the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business,” and especially the influence it may have on “unbalanced” people, like the Tucson shooter.

What’s undeniable is that the attempted assassination of Giffords took place against a right-wing media backdrop that has been targeting the government, and specifically Democrats, in an unconscionable manner:  

* “The suicide-bomber-in-chief, Barack Obama

* Beck suggests Obama admin might kill "10 percent" of population 

* Quinn: "Yes," Obama is "trying to destroy the country"

As facts of the Giffords shooting continue to come in, let’s understand what has transpired in recent months as right-wing partisans have rushed past any sense of common decency and responsibility to endless attack and condemn Democrats. For instance, let’s recall that last March when Congress was preparing to vote on passing health care reform, partisans in the far-right press denounced the vote in apocalyptic language as they depicted Democrats as monsters who deserved to be physically tortured.

Recall that at the same time, a surge of  political violence erupted across the county as Democrats became the target of what were essentially terrorist attacks. 

  • Rep. Tom Perriello's (D-VA) brother's address was erroneously posted online by a Tea Party blogger who invited activists to descend on the house. A gas line outside the brother's house was cut.
  • Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) was the target of threatening faxes and phone calls, including death threats.
  • A brick was thrown through the window of the Democratic Party office in Rochester, New York.
  • Rep. Anthony Weiner's office in Kew Gardens, New York, had to be evacuated after suspicious white powder was found in an envelope mailed to the office.
  • A thrown brick smashed a window at Rep. Louise Slaughter's district office in Niagara Falls, New York.
  • Slaughter also received a message claiming that "snipers were being deployed to kill those members who voted yes for health care," according to Politico.
  • The FBI arrested a California man for making threatening phone calls to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
  • A tossed brick demolished a window at the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita, Kansas.
  • devoted Glenn Beck fan left a serious of death threats (“Kill the fucking Senator! “) on the voice mail at the office of Sen. Patty Murray

And of course, there was the attack on Gifford’s Tucson office last March. Hours after voting in favor of health care reform, vandals smashed the front door, along with a headquarters window. Days later, Gifford spoke about being targeted.  

“Our office corner has become a place where the Tea Party has congregated. And the rhetoric has become incredibly heated. Not just the calls, but the emails, the slurs,” she told MSNBC. “We’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list, but the way she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. And when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there’s consequences to that action.”

Perhaps most telling at the time was the fact that veteran members of  Congress told Giffords that they’d never seen the kind of angry, anti-government madness that was unleashed surrounding the health care vote.  

But rather than unequivocally condemn, or even rationally discuss how the violent rhetoric had become increasingly indefensible, and rather than encouraging partisan activists to dial it down before somebody got hurt, conservative pundits urged followers to forge ahead with their calls to arms, even blaming Democrats for bringing the deadly threats and acts of violence upon themselves by voting in favor of health care reform.

Indeed, after bricks were being thrown through offices windows and audible death threats left on answer machines, the conservative media mocked the idea that Democrats were being targeted and suggested the well-documented incidents had been somehow manufactured.  Last March, Glenn Beck complained, “It's almost as if the left is trumping all of this up just for the politics."

Rush Limbaugh agreed: “Our side doesn't do this kind of stuff. It's all made up -- 95 percent of it's made up and it's being done to divert everybody's attention."

And from Andrew Breitbart's site, Big Government: "We doubt these threats are actually real and, certainly wouldn't condone them."

Chilling.

For those who didn’t get the point, Fox News’ Stephen Hayes shrugged off the acts of violence and threats, suggesting, "This happens all the time," while his Fox News colleague Charles Krauthammer said, "I'm sure a lot of this is trumped up."

Or as the Daily Caller’s S.E. Cupp put it on Fox News at the time, "Democrats who did this, who sort of rammed this down our throats regardless of the fact that it actually won't save us any money -- it's is going to bankrupt us and that the American people didn't want it -- want us to feel sorry for them that they've gotten a couple of angry, you know, voice mails. They should read my e-mail. You know, what did they expect? No one condones threats. No one condones the violence, but I'm glad people are angry. I hope they stay angry.”

Even after Byron Williams, in a jailhouse interview, told reporter John Hamilton that he was heavily influenced by Glenn Beck’s conspiratorial rants at the time when Williams plotted to assassinate leaders at the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, what did Sarah Palin do? What did Fox News’ Palin do in response to a direct request that she act as a true leader and call for a cooling off of the increasingly deadly rhetoric that had become a cornerstone of the conservative movement? Palin reaffirmed her support of the talker’s incendiary fear mongering: “I stand with you, Glenn.”

Whatever the reason for Saturday’s semi-automatic killing spree in Tucson,  what’s inescapable is that the government and government officials have been elevated to prime targets of physical attack in the last two years. We’ve certainly never seen them targeted so casually within segments of the popular media. The spike in attacks, both the actual attacks and threatened ones,  comes amidst a spike in explicit, insurrectionist rhetoric that singles out the government as being a source of intentional evil within  America.

There’s a political and media movement in this country that’s eagerly painting a bull’s-eyes on the back of the U.S. government and its representatives. Not surprisingly, more and more marksmen are taking aim. 




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    • Author by nerzog (January 10, 2011 12:59 pm ET)
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      It's really funny watching the Troglodytes twist themselves into pretzels to escape even the tiniest shred of culpability in this tragedy.

      They will deny with a straight face that listening to their rhetoric day after day might possibly give some deranged psycho an incentive to commit violence. But, they have no problem believing that poor innocent Ted Bundy was turned into a homicidal monster because he looked at girly magazines.
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      • Author by worrierking (January 10, 2011 1:08 pm ET)
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        Their constant use of angry, violent terms and imagery has no effect on anyone. No conservative or Republican is the least bit culpable in this recent shooting.

        But we all know that what the Republicans say is true, that heavy metal music is responsible for suicides and rap music causes drive by shootings.

        Talk about Cognitive dissonance.
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      • Author by pointofview (January 10, 2011 1:48 pm ET)
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        There is NO culpability.

        A mentally ill person got a gun and hurt a lot of people. To try to connect this in any way to Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck is sad and pathetic. Boehlert is both sad and pathetic in this piece. I am sure that many on left were in fact Happy to see this happen, only to use it as a tool to bash the right with.
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        • Author by gg (January 10, 2011 2:06 pm ET)
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          If there is no culpability then why is Charles Manson in prison for life, he never killed anyone?
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          • Author by pointofview (January 10, 2011 2:12 pm ET)
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            Really? You are really comparing this, to Charles Mason? Wow. Thats what a GED gets you these days.
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            • Author by bintx (January 10, 2011 2:19 pm ET)
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              Charles Manson was the instigator for the actions performed by a group of mentally unstable young people whose brains were fried by drugs. His WORDS caused them to commit the crimes they committed. He didn't kill anyone.

              The comparison is very appropriate. Words have consequences, POV. Didn't your parents teach you that? Mine did.
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                • Author by bintx (January 10, 2011 2:44 pm ET)
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                  I'm not an idiot, and you apparently have no idea what you are talking about. The people who followed Charles Manson did so willingly. They, like Beckbots and Dittoheads, were victims of their own gullibility and bizarre allegiance to a man they believed was their Messiah. They were cult members following a sociopathic leader. No difference.

                  Nice try, though.
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                  • Author by keetonmm (January 11, 2011 1:15 pm ET)
                       
                    Exactly right. Charles Manson preached the coming race riots, just like Glenn Beck constantly preaches nonviolent protest. Oh, wait. Nevermind.
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                • Author by ptluzzi59 (January 11, 2011 9:27 am ET)
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                  lol man you either you are lying or extreemly stupid either way you need to stop posting here.
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              • Author by gg (January 10, 2011 2:45 pm ET)
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                I am glad you got my point, something "pov" obviously missed, I guess his moniker should be pointofview of a rightwing nut but that is too long to type.
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            • Author by gg (January 10, 2011 2:49 pm ET)
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              Wow, GED? You really know how to insult someone, at least I spelt his name right.
              I am guessing you are enrolled in Beck's University.
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        • Author by blk-in-alabam (January 10, 2011 2:09 pm ET)
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          Bashing republican party media would have no effect if they had not said,and done the things they will be bashed with.If republican party was not guilty this opportunity to bash them would not be such a threat because it is true.Some of the bashing of republicans,and reoublican party media because of this terrible tragedy,and,brutal killings will be more effective than some of the bashing based on lies already done by the right.
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          • Author by pointofview (January 10, 2011 2:14 pm ET)
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            Once again, a GED at work.
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            • Author by bintx (January 10, 2011 2:21 pm ET)
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              Did you ever try to go back to school and get your actual diploma, POV? I'm sure you could make it if you tried REALLY hard. 'Course, I know people with GEDs who went on to become professors and business leaders. Whatever works best for you.
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            • Author by blk-in-alabam (January 10, 2011 2:23 pm ET)
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              I have used operating at that GED level to make much more money than you.And I pay a considerable amount in taxes local,state ,and federal.According to your "conservative" logig I have earned more right to vote in an election than you,and get extra votes.Some of my tax dollars make remedial classes available to you so that you can come up to the GED level to discuss any thing in my post you agree,or disagree with
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              • Author by pointofview (January 10, 2011 2:29 pm ET)
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                Learn to write a proper sentence and I will be impressed.
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                • Author by blk-in-alabam (January 10, 2011 2:48 pm ET)
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                  So you agree with what I have posted.But you'd appreciate if I worked on my sentence structure? I will get one of my old english books out and work on it.
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                • Author by ptluzzi59 (January 11, 2011 9:31 am ET)
                     
                  as would you!
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              • Author by LSD-39 (January 11, 2011 5:09 pm ET)
                   
                Are you nuts? You sound like a person that has just enough money to be connected to the internet,buying votes because you are so rich.That is RICH.I have to come to the conclusion that you are a dreamer unable to use wisdom&knowelege,because eduction can not be bought you have to live and earn it.
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            • Author by stullivan (January 10, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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              Jealous much?
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            • Author by CoolSlaw (January 11, 2011 1:12 am ET)
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              Once again, a GED at work


              Careful, you're making it seemed like educated people aren't all a bunch of filthy liberal, nanny state, vegetarian, socialists plotting to destroy America devil science and evil facts!
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        • Author by stullivan (January 10, 2011 2:32 pm ET)
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          WTF ????????????????

          Does anyone belive that GBecker or Ms. Palin are sitting at home actively praying that a US Congressman gets attacked? No. Did GBecker or Ms. Palin actually tell this kid to shoot anyone? No.

          Does anyone think those two are shameless self promoting hucksters preying on the biases, fears, insecurities, desperation of their audience?? YES!! Do they offer anyting positive to ANY political discoures?? NO a GD thing. How about these two and the rest of the RW echo chamber promote political volunteerism, community activities / service, to gather the strength and power of WE THE PEOPLE to impact political change and "restore" America to her greatness instead of promoting "2nd amendment remedies" and telling everyone the end is imminent.

          Every day GBecker goes off on one tangent after another with the end result being that the Government is controlling everything you do, the government is JUST LIKE Nazi Germany, that everything we hold dear is on a precarious tipping point and we are screwed. The monetary system is rigged, a shame, about to go under. The constitution is being trampled and abuse everyday, America is not as YOU remember it, we are lost. Something you hold dear is being killed, targeted, hunted, threatened RIGHT THIS MINUTE.

          Ms. Palin throws out no-so-veiled accusations of President Obama's citizenship, his terrorist sympathies, how he's NOT like US, how he doesn't "get" real people. She uses phrases and imagery tied to weapons, and targeting members or congress, and the acceptability of using similar references to resolve political disagreements.

          And NO - no one - on the LEFT is HAPPY that people have died and have been injured due to the acts of on ill individual.
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          • Author by Views Across The Pond (January 11, 2011 5:50 am ET)
               
            stullivan - I have to say spot on there - as you say no one is blaming Beck and Palin but as you rightly point out "those two are shameless self promoting hucksters preying on the biases, fears, insecurities, desperation of their audience
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          • Author by Media Mumblings (January 11, 2011 4:58 pm ET)
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            No, what makes you happy is blaming events on your non-socialist enemies with no evidence. That is what brings joy to your life evidently.
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        • Author by Egbert Sousé (January 10, 2011 2:49 pm ET)
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          Definitely not one ounce of culpability. Definitely.
          [http://www.sourcewatch.org/images/0/04/Bury.jpg]

          No speck of fault to be found.
          [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3471/3919685636_84c1f3aa07.jpg]

          Clean as the driven snow and proud of it.
          [http://www.blogforchoice.com/obamacare%204.jpg]
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          • Author by Space-Pedestrian (January 10, 2011 7:25 pm ET)
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            That's a stretch. They're talking about Teddy. And last time I checked, Obamacare is not a living being.
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            • Author by mr. l (January 11, 2011 3:43 am ET)
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              That's interesting....
              Then what does the sign mean...?
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              • Author by riverdog (January 11, 2011 10:41 am ET)
                   
                it means they don't want the health care bill passed. wow that was pretty easy.
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                • Author by congero6189599 (January 11, 2011 1:16 pm ET)
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                  Yea just like the shooter of Giffords just didn't like her politics. Wow! That was pretty easy.
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          • Author by 2amend (January 11, 2011 10:18 am ET)
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            Go to Michell Malkin's website and explain all those pictures d**ba*s.
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        • Author by wagofthefinger (January 10, 2011 7:59 pm ET)
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          The problem with people on the right right now like yourself is that we have a unique opportunity to discuss this and media figures on both sides have the chance to stand up and agree that this kind of rhetoric is not ok, whether it had something to do with Arizona or not. People on the left have stood up and all you hear from the right is either crickets or blaming the left...sad.
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        • Author by Views Across The Pond (January 11, 2011 5:47 am ET)
             
          "Happy to see this happen"?
          Are you really going to go down that road? I dare you to show irrefutable evidence that anyone on the left is "happy to see this happen"?

          It is not about blaming Palin et al, it is about realizing that after the events of saturday, phrases like "Don't retreat, reload" and "second amendment remedies" should never have made it into the political debate. And it's about realizing that maybe, just maybe the events of saturday should be a wake up call for America - time to stop the rhetoric - no matter what side is using it - I mean are you proud that the debate has become so polarized that people only talk to the other side of the aisle in jingoistic visceral sound?

          Yes a "mentally ill person got a gun and hurt a lot of people" but this should be a wake up call that the left are seeing - the right instead of trying to deflect.
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        • Author by ptluzzi59 (January 11, 2011 9:25 am ET)
             
          keep telling yourself that
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      • Author by septacemia (January 10, 2011 2:39 pm ET)
           
        Shame on the Democrats for letting the Republican propaganda machine once again get out ahead of them on this tragedy. The FOX mind washing machine beat them to the punch and once again is controlling the course and focus of the rhetoric. They need to play all of the venomous hate spewed out by the Right on a loop until every American is sick to their stomach. I think the little 9 year old girl who was a victim of their hateful rhetoric deserves at least that.
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        • Author by Media Mumblings (January 11, 2011 5:00 pm ET)
             
          It was the right that was forced to play defense because the left went on the attck immediately. Everything is political for statist drones evidently.
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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 9:01 am ET)
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            You are an idiot, mumbler.

            Sheriff Dupnic merely said that the vitriolic rhetoric needed to be toned down.

            Fox and the rest of the right wing propaganda machine IMMEDIATELY yelped like a bit dog and assumed that, without having pinned the rhetoric on anyone at all, Sheriff Dupnik was talking about them.

            The first thing that the RWPM said was "hey, they do it too".
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      • Author by highlyunlikely (January 10, 2011 3:14 pm ET)
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        how true. The more indefensible their case, the more desperate the argument. And a lot of them won't have to contend with cognitive dissonance, lacking a conscience and believing the hype as they do.
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        • Author by Media Mumblings (January 11, 2011 5:04 pm ET)
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          Cognitive dissonance?

          He had a fixation with this woman from back in 2007. That was BEFORE teh rise of the Tea Party, and no one outside of Alaska had even herd of Sarah Palin in 2007.

          He was an atheist. (So am I, but this position is normally associated with the hard left.

          He favorited the Communist Manifesto

          He favorited a video where the Amercian flag was being burned.

          He identified the U.S. as a terrorist country.

          One of his friends from 2007 said that he was a liberal who wanted to change the word. Have any of his friends came forward and claimed that he was a libertarian or conservative? Answer: no

          Perhaps it is you who suffers from cognivtive dissonance.

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      • Author by Media Mumblings (January 11, 2011 3:21 pm ET)
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        Since some of you keep asking for proof of the left's violent imagery and rhetoric, I have decided to throw the animals here some red meat through your cage bars.

        Here's just a short list of one Democrat's, President Obama, violent rhetoric in the last 3 years alone:

        1. "They bring a knife...we bring a gun."

        2. "Get in their faces"

        3. Obama to ACORN thugs: " ***I don't want to quell anger***. I think people are right to be angry! I'm angry!"

        4. Obama on business: "We talk to these folks...so I know whose ass to kick."

        5. Obama to voters: " Republican victory would mean "hand to hand combat."

        6. Obama to Latino supporters: "Punish your enemies!"

        7. Obama to Democrats: "I'm itching for a fight."

        There are, of course, many more instances, but this is just the shortened list.

        Any of you statist drones can feel free to Google any of these quotes.

        Imagine how long this list would have been if it would have encompassed all of the violent, threatening rhetoric engaged in by all Democrats.

        I do not think that there is anything wrong with this kind of rhetoric though because its just the normal political metaphors and idioms employed, but if you guys want to play this childish blame game then I've got plenty of ammo (Oops! That was violent rhetoric--if someone dies today then I'm to blame.) Some of you simply want to pour down moral condemnation on those you disagree with politically. It's cathartic for you.

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        • Author by mochajo (January 11, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
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          Take a good look at all those comments you just listed. They are definitely nothing like the language Glenn Beck uses on a daily basis and Beck makes it look like theater drama as well.
          I don't know why anyone would disagree that the "tone" of extremists, right and left, should be more low key. When the airwaves are bombarded with that rhetoric, anyone, yes that includes the mentally unstable, can be drawn in. Most people know where to draw the line.
          Does that mean that this rhetoric caused the Tucson incident? Probably not. Could it? Probably.
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          • Author by Media Mumblings (January 11, 2011 6:31 pm ET)
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            Really?"Nothing like the rhetoric of Beck, Palin, ....." How would you go about proving that. Wasn't Barry inciting hate when he said, "I don't want to quell anger?" I think the tone and rheotoric of many democratic socialists is harsh. I don't call for them to apologize when some deranged person shoots someone though. I juat tolerate their intolerance.
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    • Author by Panic Man (January 10, 2011 1:05 pm ET)
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      In before some right-winger comes in here to slavishly repost the "if they bring a knife..." comment. Just remember, righties, for every one of those, there are a thousand or more instances of far worse, far more hateful, far more inflammatory right-wing violent speech.
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      • Author by Media Mumblings (January 11, 2011 4:57 pm ET)
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        I think my list was a little longer than you suggest. It was remarkably long given that it was just the rhetoric of one Democrat. There are thousand of quotes that can be retrieved if every leftist media personality and politician in the country is included.

        Do you want to continue playing this game? I've got plenty of AMMO left. Oops! I did it again.
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        • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 10:53 am ET)
             
          What was telling was that in none of what you listed is there any accusation that the right "wants to take away everything you have worked for". Nor was there anything like "the right wants to turn this country into (insert hateful historic regime) so we need a revolution against them". Nowhere has anyone on the left suggested that the right "is out to get you".

          ALL of the divisive, seditious rhetoric needs to stop REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE IT COMES FROM, and playing games of "they do it too" isn't helpful.

          Anytime ANYONE paints Americans as an enemy of America simply because of philosophical differences, melanin level differences, or differences of any other kind, that painter needs to be slapped, and slapped hard.
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    • Author by bajarat (January 10, 2011 1:10 pm ET)
         
      It turns out this Loughner cretin is an occultist, pot-smoking left winger. The radical "progressive" mob really stepped in it this time thinking the shooter was a conservative nut job.... and now they continue to make noise pretending the stuff on their shoes isn’t feces. You can’t make this stuff up!
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      • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 10:57 am ET)
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        Really? The fact that the RWPM immediately jumped to the defense when Sheriff Dupnik talked about vitriol without pointing at anyone didn't clue you that they at least thought that they had some role in this?

        How about this, then?
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    • Author by magnolialover (January 10, 2011 1:11 pm ET)
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      What I found the funniest part, is that this sherriff in AZ made that statement, and almost knee jerk like, the right wing started to howl about how this guy didn't know what he was talking about. It wasn't the right wing doing this, or that. Never you mind that he never said anything about anyone specifically.

      Guilty much?
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      • Author by Views Across The Pond (January 11, 2011 5:54 am ET)
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        Exactly. I wrote about this yesterday at my own blog, the way the right immediatley took it as if he had spoken out against them personally. They cite his appearance on Geraldo where, when asked if he regretted "bringing in the 'political vitriol'," Dupnik answered:

        Not in any way, shape or form. It’s my feeling that his personality is the type that is susceptible to this kind of behavior. It doesn’t surprise me that people from the right would be upset that people..people like myself and maybe people from the left, and a whole lot of other people in America feel as I do that the anger that’s purposely generated by people who make a living off of it


        I highlighted the particular phrase of importance about the right being upset - and this was not an inaccurate comemnt - he made this in light of the fact that the right threw their hands up in dismay and called his original press conference comments "partisan". When in fact in his original press conference he had made no accusations directed at one specific party of group.
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      • Author by mochajo (January 11, 2011 4:56 pm ET)
           
        I wondered the same thing. How do or did they know that the kid might be making those kinds of comments and law enforcement hasn't released that info yet.
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    • Author by culpepperkay (January 10, 2011 1:14 pm ET)
         
      I think it was van jones. He called for a revolution. This guy sounds like a comme to me.
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    • Author by winston smith 2 (January 10, 2011 1:24 pm ET)
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      BOTTOM LINE...

      THE LEFT... has been warning of the dangers of politics practiced with violent rhetoric and imagery...

      While THE RIGHT has been producing and defending politics practiced with violent rhetoric and imagery...
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      • Author by pointofview (January 10, 2011 1:51 pm ET)
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        Bottom line.....that is crap and you know it. The suspect was mentally ill. He was kicked out of college, and denied entrance to the military. To blame this on a political party shows how ignorant you are.
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        • Author by bintx (January 10, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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          I'm not blaming anything on any political club nor am I blaming it on "the right." I'm blaming it on the lies and hatred which have been spewed out over the public airwaves by idiot, non-ideological entertainers like Beck, et al, who don't GIVE A RIP. They will say whatever they are paid to say. It's called PROPAGANDA, POV. Propaganda incites actions by mentally ill people whose brains don't allow for reasoned thought. This crap has been CONSTANT for the past few years. It's ridiculous, it's dangerous and it has NOTHING to do with political ideology.
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          • Author by fightingback (January 10, 2011 3:44 pm ET)
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            Rush and Glenn are millionares for spewing the hatred and violent vitriol out there on the airwaves. Big business and Ruper Murdoch (sicko) back those on the right. They are who is destorying America and they are getting rich by doing so.
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          • Author by Space-Pedestrian (January 10, 2011 7:27 pm ET)
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            I'm blaming it on the lies and hatred which have been spewed out over the public airwaves by idiot, non-ideological entertainers like Beck, et al, who don't GIVE A RIP.


            Everything known about this deranged man points to the fact that he was completely incoherent and paranoid. You cannot blame anyone, particularly Beck 'et al' when there's no evidence he listened to them. The Communist Manifesto was never recommended reading by anyone on the 'right'. This is pure opportunism on your part and that of the far-left at large.
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            • Author by klarg (January 10, 2011 8:50 pm ET)
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              He read Mein Kampf (a very right-wing manifesto)
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              • Author by Media Mumblings (January 11, 2011 6:45 pm ET)
                   
                The Nazi's were National Socialists. They were economic collectivists. Any european party that was overtly nationalistic was by definition right-wing in early 20th centruy europe. By this definition an American leftist who towed the socialist line on all economic issues but favored the so-called War on Terrorism would be identified as right-wing by that standard.

                Do me a favor and Google National German Socialist Workers' Party platform. Pay close attention to those planks that deal with economic issues. They were demonstrably socialists. Some of you think because that they weren't international socialists(communists) that they weren't collectivists. The communists were ideological rivals of the national socialists as are the baptists and the anabaptists; the sunnis and the shiites; the protestants and the catholics, etc. It is a known truth that groups that are remarkably similar to each other ideologically oftentimes reserve much time and effort war-making (sometimes literally) with the other group even though there are only minor issues separating them.

                Do you find it a bit odd that millions of Germans (especially young men) could one day swear allegiance to international socialism and the next day switch allegiance to the national socialists (nazis) if there were truly some great chasm separating them?
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                • Author by yoiksaway (January 12, 2011 1:03 am ET)
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                  I had better luck looking up National Socialist German Worker's Party instead (NSDAP following the German language). Thanks for the suggestion.

                  Looks like the NSGWP collectivist didn't work out so well, especially beginning in 1933. Liberal nirvana? Ooh, maybe not. Economic collectivist only for Hitler's party contributors and Aryans; systematic persecution of Jews, gays, the disabled, and Communists; fervent nationalism; and ruthless territorial expansion--those are what happened, as opposed to anything leftist.

                  By looking up the term that you suggested klarg Google, I find that, already having the support of many in the lower class (workers, as in "worker's party"), Hitler employed the term "socialism" only to gain support of the middle class (small business)--the non-Jewish small business middle class, of course. Party popularity really took off during the Great Depression, with Jews blamed for many ills, and nationalism hyping a remade, stronger, more pure country.

                  The literature doesn't agree at all with what you claim about the role of socialism. It shows what you contend to be a shallow attempt at semantics, based on a single word, socialism, but at least you didn't refer to a singular blog rant without attribution, as others do.

                  Again, I'm glad you suggested to look up a fundamental part of political history, because it enlightened me a little, and there are sources to confirm it. In the 1930's, the Nazis counted on the frustrations of the poor, the working poor, and the recently not-so-middle-class via fear and anger, blaming certain groups of people and promising national rebirth, all to gain power. Collectivist for the Aryans and nobody else.
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            • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 9:11 pm ET)
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              According to his friend, that and Mein Kampf were both on his list to tweek people, including his mother, a Jew.

              According to his youtube postings, he was not only anti-government, but found a lot of practices to be unconstitutional. He railed against currency, apparently upset that ours is not backed up by gold or silver.

              Sound like anyone in right wing hate radio?
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              • Author by Space-Pedestrian (January 10, 2011 9:27 pm ET)
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                No, not really. Hawking and denouncing gold are two different thins. He railed against gold, and more intensely, grammar. His writings are repetitive and formulaic, lacking any cohesive point. They're bizarrely redundant. He's simply insane, lacking the capacity to form and communicate a point of view readily ascribed to an existing political ideology. Attempting to do so is pointless at best, and very disingenuous and opportunistic at worst (most of this thread).

                Interesting you had a comeback about the left books he owned all ready to go. For the record, the Communist Manifesto tells us nothing about this guy.
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                • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 9:46 pm ET)
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                  I didn't have it "ready to go" as you say. Unless you count spending a couple of hours dealing with other things, then hitting the web for a little look-see as having it "ready to go". I did research. Google, it is your friend. And as far as I know, no one has asserted that he owned those books, only that he listed tham as favorites.

                  As to your assertion that The Communist Manifesto tells us nothing, I do believe that folks like Beck and Limbaugh would both tell you that it is an undeniable tie to progressives. Since we are, you know, communist/nazi/fascist/big brother loving anarchists.
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                  • Author by Space-Pedestrian (January 10, 2011 10:04 pm ET)
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                    You're still gladly linking his actions to rhetoric as if he was actually sane enough to understand any of it. He found grades and tuition at Pima Community College unconstitutional, and you link that line of thinking to conservatives. Lame.
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                    • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 11:11 pm ET)
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                      I think his anti-government attitude along with his targetting of a politician targetted by Sarah Palin is the link.

                      Oddly enough, Fox 4, the local Fox affiliate here in Dallas, has a segment titled "Viewers' Voice". I just saw the "journalist" read an email from a viewer, in which the viewer excoriated the media for blaming Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, et al for this heinous act. They are no more responsible, she wrote, than The Beatles were for Charles Manson committing mass murder.

                      Appropriately, the "journalist" didn't point out that Manson didn't actually kill anyone, he is doing time for murders committed by people he urged into it.

                      Your knee-jerk defense of people whose stock-in-trade is hate speech is what is lame.
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                      • Author by Space-Pedestrian (January 11, 2011 7:06 am ET)
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                        No one held this guy hostage, sexually abused him, and threatened his life if he didn't go and kill people, as Manson did to his crew of flunkies. That's a false equivalency. That he had been looking into Gifford in 2007, before anyone outside of Alaska politics knew of Palin and her dread crosshairs. Give up, this is merely wishful thinking on your part.
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                        • Author by LiberalEagle422 (January 11, 2011 7:40 am ET)
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                          He may not have known Palin before she rose to her "national prominence" but once he saw her and hear what she had to say (Don't retreat, reload!) He may have found justification in his actions.

                          Mob mentality. A single person most likely wouldn't smash in a store window and steal a TV. But if he's surrounded by people who are doing it, it will make him more likely to find some rationalization to join in. We are social creatures after all.

                          The very fact that hate radio fills our airwaves should clue you in that the right is seeking to provoke some kind of reaction and thoughts against progressives. It's either that, or Rush, Sarah, and Beckhead are complete liars and are just doing it for the money. If that's the case, then one of our civil servants elected by the people of her district has a bullet in her head just so some people can get rich.

                          The Manson analogy stands. If you are disagreement with it, then that's your right (Voltaire) but you are completely out of touch with reality and I feel bad for you.
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                • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 12:31 pm ET)
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                  I do find it interesting that, while you said that you didn't find his ramblings to resemble anyone in hate radio, you immediately began to defend Beck. Hmm.
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                  • Author by Space-Pedestrian (January 13, 2011 8:25 am ET)
                       
                    You're ridiculous. I didn't defend Beck, I noted that there was no tangible connection from him to Loughner. If I'm defending anything, it would be free speech. The main thrust of this thread is that progressives, as you call yourselves, would limit free speech 'just in case' some maniac 'might' hear it and do something crazy. It's just a roundabout way to say "we don't like your speech and wish to limit it". These Congressman looking to renege on the spending cuts they promised on the campaign trail to reallocate to their own security stand a better chance of being hit by a city bus that having another Loughner come at them.
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                  • Author by Space-Pedestrian (January 13, 2011 10:24 am ET)
                       
                    ...and BTW I mentioned Beck in my original response to bintx, who had named him in her post. You've got a way to go before you can come off as anything close to convincing. You're the kneejerk reactionary you'd like to call everyone who does not agree with you.
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        • Author by highlyunlikely (January 10, 2011 3:17 pm ET)
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          and he bought into the violent language and he had a weapon he never should have had access to. This is not an either/or situation.

          Talk about desperate to defend the indefensible.
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        • Author by magnolialover (January 10, 2011 4:09 pm ET)
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          I don't think anyone here is blaming it on a political party, but the folks who talk in waves of violent rhetoric every day (Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, and so on) are not to blame, but... Words do indeed have consequences.

          When someone is on a news channel, like FoxNews, and they're telling you day, after day, after day that this guy Obama, and his fellow democrats are destroying the country, and that they need to be replaced no matter what.

          What do you think is going to happen?
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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 9:18 pm ET)
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            I'm not blaming it on a political party. I am, however, laying at least a portion of the blame on the hate talkers who peddle the kind of rhetoric that would be taken by an unstable person to be tacit approval of such acts.

            And make no mistake, it wouldn't matter if the FBI found evidence that he followed these hate talkers religiously, and that he did what he did on what he thought was their behest. Even if they found a diary claiming that he did it specifically because of what one of them said, there would be no repercussions to the talkers.

            None of them would, under any circumstances, be held culpable, and there would still be idiots defending their right to spread hate as part of their freedom of speech.
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        • Author by miked420 (January 10, 2011 4:27 pm ET)
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          Speaking of poor sentence structure, you erroneously inserted a comma after college. If you're going to insult posters' grammar you should make sure yours is impeccable.
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        • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 9:05 pm ET)
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          He was kicked out of college, and denied entrance to the military-by pointofview

          He was denied entrance to the military based on a failed drug test.
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    • Author by Invent a Scandal (January 10, 2011 1:26 pm ET)
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      I expect we'll see the corporate media whitewash this tragedy as much as possible. The Cons will be left off the hook again.

      Great piece by Eric--quite a few typos though.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 10, 2011 1:44 pm ET)
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        Joe Scarborough and his flunkies were slavishly doing just that. They were appropriately troubled by the whole thing, looking down at their desk, repeating "Both sides do it... both sides do it." If they said it once, they said it fifty times.

        It was so obvious that it was sickening. They refuse to confront the Troglodytes for their aggressive, caustic propaganda.
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        • Author by magnolialover (January 10, 2011 4:10 pm ET)
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          I'm still waiting for someone from the right to show me where a left wing media person was talking about Bush as being a Nazi, and destroying the country, and that he must be stopped.

          That stuff, it doesn't exist.

          This is the point that they miss on. Time and again.
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    • Author by sluggo (January 10, 2011 1:27 pm ET)
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      It is important to watch how this will be played in the "main-stream" media; discounting outlets like Fox or Rush (which will clearly just make things up in order to assuage their audience)

      The "main-stream" media such as CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc, have a clear choice:

      1. Fairly report and review the clearly incendiary statements that have been made by not only tea party types but main-stream republican politicians and call for a national dialog to reduce the vitriol.

      2. Play the "he-said/she-said" game and pretend that both Left and Right are saying the same thing (despite never having any good examples to attribute to the Left), and generally bemoaning the bad people on both sides (this is what is typically done).

      3. Go the Fox/Rush route and just produce outright lies and propaganda ("the shooter was really a Liberal...").

      As they (the media) start presenting their stance and choosing which of these three positions to take, I am going to start keeping score. We may be able to finally shake out those media sources that are pretending to be "objective" but will have to go for number 2 or 3 in order to follow the dictates of their Corporate Masters.

      Wait and see.
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      • Author by nerzog (January 10, 2011 1:49 pm ET)
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        Oops. I should have read your post before responding above. You're absolutely right. The Morning Joe bobbleheads have already chosen #2, and I think most of the "Mainstream Media" will follow suit.

        Hate Radio and the FOXbots will go full bore with #3, and I predict that only a handful of Liberal hosts like Olbermann and Maddow will even touch #1.
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      • Author by pointofview (January 10, 2011 1:53 pm ET)
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        Option # 4. Honest reporting about a mentally ill suspect, leaving your political ideals out of a discussion they do not belong it.
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        • Author by overmars jr. (January 10, 2011 2:19 pm ET)
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          I'm sorry... did you just angrily claim that discussion of political motives has no place in the SHOOTING MASSACRE at a CONGRESSOMWAN'S PUBLIC EVENT in which the suspect (who has posted several political messages) began by walking directly up and SHOOTING THE CONGRESSWOMAN IN THE HEAD?

          O_O
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          • Author by Imbecile (January 10, 2011 2:26 pm ET)
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            Yes s/he did, because they know that once political motivations come into play, Republicans will have absolutely no defense.

            Hell, their best defense right now is: This is terrible, but can you blame the guy?

            I mean, this is the most reverence they can muster with 6 dead.
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            • Author by project21reps (January 11, 2011 10:29 pm ET)
                 
              Last I heard, his friends called him a lefty loon. Me thinks it will be you on the left that may have no defense.
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          • Author by pointofview (January 10, 2011 2:34 pm ET)
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            When the suspect was so mentally ill that he was kicked out of college and deemed unfit for the militray, is shows disrepect to those killed and injured to try to blame this on Palin, Beck, or whatever right wing boggy men the radical left creates.
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            • Author by Imbecile (January 10, 2011 2:36 pm ET)
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              Finding a motivation and attempting to prevent any future incidents is disrespectful to the victims?
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              • Author by magnolialover (January 10, 2011 4:12 pm ET)
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                Yeah, if it indicates he was a crazy right winger talking about gold standards, immigrants, and so on.

                Now, if he is found out to be a crazy left winger, these guys like POV will be ALL over it.
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            • Author by bintx (January 10, 2011 2:47 pm ET)
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              Glenn Beck, at one point, was considered so mentally unstable that he was fired from a radio station.

              BTW, I think you should take your own advice. Try writing a proper sentence with proper spelling and punctuation.
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            • Author by magnolialover (January 10, 2011 4:12 pm ET)
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              He was not allowed into the Army because he failed a drug test.

              Again, he tried to assassinate a Congresswomen and this somehow has NO political associations?

              Yeah, OK.
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              • Author by Media Mumblings (January 11, 2011 4:54 pm ET)
                   
                The point is n't that he had no political associaitions or leanings. The point is that the guy was all over the map philophically. This shouldn't be a surprise given that he was mentally deranged. Those of you who are trying to blame this on your political enemies should expect the same in return.

                I though David Brooks (for a change) had a good take on all of this in today's N.Y. Times.
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            • Author by bilbo_dies (January 10, 2011 7:27 pm ET)
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              Please leave a link showing where he was "kicked out of college" because he was mentally ill? (I haven't heard that one before)

              is shows disrepect to those killed and injured to try to blame this on Palin, Beck, or whatever right wing boggy men the radical left creates.

              So, if it turns out that this person was driven by right wing rhetoric, and/or used it as an excuse to justify what he did, how will you feel then?
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    • Author by Macaframa3 (January 10, 2011 1:31 pm ET)
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      In response to email from palin beck says:

      "Please look into protection for your family," Beck told her in an e-mail. "An attempt on you could bring the republic down."

      IS THIS NOT THE VIOLENT RHETORIC AND END_OF_TIMES TALK THAT WE NEED TO STOP?
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      • Author by magnolialover (January 10, 2011 4:14 pm ET)
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        And, even if Palin were gunned down this afternoon, umm, nothing in our republic would change (I don't wish for her to be gunned down, just saying that if she were, nothing would happen to the country).

        She doesn't hold office.

        She doesn't make policy.

        She doesn't offer anything to the country.

        How would the republic not survive that Glenn?

        My lord, these people are freakin unbelievable morons.
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      • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 4:23 pm ET)
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        Not only that, but can someone please explain to my old and addled brain exactly how an attack on Palin "would bring the Republic down".

        As much as I dislike that woman, I would never advocate violence against her, and I can't think of any progressive who would.

        I fail to see how an attack on her would any more have the effect of bringing down the country than the attack on Ms. Giffords.

        I suppose that, in Beck's view, a Fox employee and failed half-term governor of our least populous state (686,000 residents) is far more important to the survival of this great nation than a sitting representative of Tuscon (population 1.02 million).
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        • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 4:23 pm ET)
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          Tucson. My original spelling looks more logical, but what can you do.
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    • Author by all your eyes (January 10, 2011 1:36 pm ET)
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      It's not just the violent imagery that's the problem here. These people lie every day, and they ascribe the most awful imaginable characteristics and motives to their enemies, namely President Obama and the Democratic party, who are intentionally destroying America and taking away our freedoms. If that is the case, then what is a (crazy) person to do, but to take matters into his or her own hands? That's the root of the problem. Of course the violent imagery is distasteful, but that's not necessarily what would drive a person to commit an act like this, in and of itself. It's the entire dishonest content of the message, taken together, that would necessitate, in the deranged minds of certain individuals, acts of violence in order to "take our country back."
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    • Author by wesley_fpt (January 10, 2011 3:11 pm ET)
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      To all the idiot right wingers who claim there's no basis to link the repulicans violent rhetoric to this tragedy.

      Quote from Gabrielle Giffords: "...for example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district, and when people do that, they've gotta realize there are consequenc­es to that action."

      Of course this has to be discussed. Get a clue.
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      • Author by magnolialover (January 10, 2011 4:15 pm ET)
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        Yeah, but those were just surveying sights, NOT gun crosshairs (according to one of Sarah's aides).

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        • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 4:35 pm ET)
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          According to Sarah "the surveyor" Palin's twit, they were bullseyes. Now, I suppose that one could argue that that wasn't necessarily Ms. Palin herself tweeting that.

          I suppose.

          It came from a Blackberry, and it has Ms. Palin's name on it, so my assumption is that she twitted it. If not, perhaps she should look into keeping her Blackberry and her account information to herself.
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          • Author by wesley_fpt (January 10, 2011 4:39 pm ET)
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            Did she really think anyone would believe her about that, especially considering that Sarah called them bullseyes herself? It's incredibly insulting that she'd even try.
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            • Author by overmars jr. (January 10, 2011 6:02 pm ET)
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              That's why I call them Republicons. They're all robots running the same manipulative program.
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    • Author by jwpegler (January 10, 2011 3:17 pm ET)
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      Complete and utter nonsense.

      Compare now to the 1960s / early 70s when: John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Medgar Evers, Malcom X, George Wallace, George Lincoln Rockwell were all shot (and all but Wallace were killed); The Weatherman (including Obama's buddy Bill Ayers) were blowing up buildings; The Black Panthers were having armed shoot outs with the police; on and on...

      In 1804, a sitting U.S. Vice President (Aaron Burr) shot and killed a former Secretary of the Treasury (Alexander Hamilton) in a duel to the death.

      Let's not forget the Civil War when Americans killed more than 600,000 other Americans.

      Yes, I feel sorry for the 9 year old girl who was shot and killed. I even feel sorry for the families of the politicians that were gunned down.

      However, anyone who is bellyaching about the current "hateful" political environment doesn't know squat about American history.

      The last 25 years have been among the most politically peaceful we've ever had in the U.S.

      Given the extent that power hungry politicians and greedy bureaucrats have damaged the country, it is surprising that more violence isn't erupting around us.
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      • Author by Old_Benjamin (January 11, 2011 3:24 pm ET)
           
        Given the extent that power hungry politicians and greedy bureaucrats have damaged the country, it is surprising that more violence isn't erupting around us.


        Someone get this guy's guns...
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    • Author by conductor274 (January 10, 2011 3:33 pm ET)
         
      So this isn't Beck/Palin/Limbaugh's fault you say. Then imagine if a Muslim created a website and posted a map of the US with cross hairs on 20 congressional districts that he/she disagrees with. Then spouts off saying "we need to take our country back" or "don't retreat. reload." Then someone shoots a representative from one of those targeted districts wounding the congressman along with 13 others and kills 6 more. What would homeland security do? What would you call the that Muslim? A terrorist right? Sarah Palin needs to be treated the same way.
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      • Author by keetonmm (January 11, 2011 3:06 pm ET)
           
        Oh yes, if it wasn't for Sarah Palin and her gun totin', crosshair mappin' antics, Loughner would have never thought to pick up a gun and go on a rampage. I'm sorry... I really, really try to be accepting of the viewpoints of others, but yours is simply asinine.

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    • Author by fightingback (January 10, 2011 4:27 pm ET)
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      There is no question that any sane person can see Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann, Ann Coulter, and Sara Palin deliberately instigate and create lies and distortions to fan the flames of their viewers and all for the sake of money. They are all quite rich for doing this. Getting rich by lying to the Aemrican people to me is unAmerican and treasonous in reality. But we have allowed this lying vitiol to continue and we must be an end to this type of blatant distortions and hateful and violent vitriol. The right is absolutely guilty of this and they know they are!
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    • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (January 10, 2011 5:27 pm ET)
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      Why doesn't anyone mention that fact that she voted against Pelosi on Obamacare?
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      • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 5:54 pm ET)
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        Maybe, just possibly, because she didn't. That is why she was on Palin's "hit list" to begin with. Says so right there on the map.

        Thanks for playing, nothing-but-spin.

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        • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (January 10, 2011 5:58 pm ET)
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          Peep this http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:egHLC2hTfZoJ:www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!+Daily+Kos+boyblue&cd=2&hl=en&CT=clnk&gl=us&client=Firefox-a

          Looks like she made some people angry.
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          • Author by wesley_fpt (January 10, 2011 6:34 pm ET)
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            Are you saying there's a moral equivalence between some obscure post by some tool out in the far reaches of the internet that hardly anyone read, and Sarah Palin's map that put Giffords in the crosshairs of a gun? If you want to hold Sarah Palin, whose supposed to be the standard bearer of your party to the same standard you hold to some blogger no one has heard of, have at it..whatever sinks your boat.
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            • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (January 10, 2011 6:44 pm ET)
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              Put Giffords in the crosshairs of a gun?

              Nothing like trying to spin that map to support your claim.

              You do realize what that map actually represented right?

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              • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 7:45 pm ET)
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                You do realize what that map actually represented right?
                Yep. In Simple Sarah's own words, bullseye
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                • Author by keetonmm (January 11, 2011 3:09 pm ET)
                     
                  Yea, for getting voted out of office, not assassinated. Genius.
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                  • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 11:04 am ET)
                       
                    Yes, and coupled with her "don't retreat, reload" comment, no one, especially a mentally unstable person, could ever have taken it as tacit approval of his plans.
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              • Author by wesley_fpt (January 10, 2011 8:41 pm ET)
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                Those were gun crosshairs on the map..thats a fact. Spin is when idiot right wingers try to say they were really "purveyor" sights. Get it? I stated a fact, you provided spin. It's really not that difficult.
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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 7:43 pm ET)
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            So you first claim that she voted against the health care reform act, and when you were nailed as a liar on that, you hunted until you found someone who was mad at her for anything? Are you simply looking for a reason to deflect blame away from Simple Sarah, Beck, and all of the other folks who spew hate nationally every single day across public airwaves and cable?

            Of course, it did only take you 4 minutes to find that, did you have it ready just in case we weren't easily fooled foxbots?

            Oh.. oh... oh... you are boy blue, aren't you?

            Dude, I'm sorry your wife left you, but if it helps you any, it probably had more to do with you being gay than with you losing your job.

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            • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (January 10, 2011 8:43 pm ET)
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              I was a joke spaz I labeled it that to get a rise out of all you political correctness cry babies.

              And I like how Sarah Palin using gun references makes her a catalyst to violent acts, but Joe Manchin's political ad where he literally shoots the cap and trade bill is just good campaign management.

              It is also funny how the FBI searched all of his internet activity and there was no mention of any right wing extremist fueling his passion to shoot Giffords.

              Here goes Media Matters making more kool-aid for all of you children to drink up.
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              • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 8:49 pm ET)
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                Of course it was a joke. That is why you posted it twice.

                Sure, the fact that he parroted Beck on the gold standard and his hatred of government couldn't possibly be taken as a hint.
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              • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 8:50 pm ET)
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                You seem to have missed a post above, nothing but spin. Did you not have a retort for Sarah's own assertion that she targetted Ms. Giffords with a "bullseye"?
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              • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 8:56 pm ET)
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                Amazing, isn't it, how efficient Sarah Palin's Facebook site is at removing posts that aren't exactly fawning, yet this one got to stay:

                It's ok. Christina Taylor Green was probably going to end up a left wing bleeding heart liberal anyway. Hey, as 'they' say, what would you do if you had the chance to kill Hitler as a kid? Exactly
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              • Author by outsiderdude (January 11, 2011 3:43 pm ET)
                   
                At least if nothing else this will be the end of sarah palins 15 minutes of shame
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        • Author by Fox News - Nothing But Truth (January 10, 2011 5:58 pm ET)
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          Democrats hate giffords
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          • Author by bilbo_dies (January 10, 2011 7:35 pm ET)
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            Yup, that is why they voted her into office over the Teabagger.

            BTW Giffords voted for health care reform and voted "against" Pelosit as the minority leader.
            Instead she voted for civil rights hero and long time Georgia representative John Lewis.
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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 10, 2011 7:48 pm ET)
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            Of course, ONE disgruntled democrat who, in a snit, blogged that he was upset with her, means that ALL Democrats hate her. By your reasoning, the fact that I, a Texan, don't like Rick Perry, means that Texans don't like Rick Perry.
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      • Author by Blue Dog (January 10, 2011 6:21 pm ET)
           
        Uhm....because it's irrelevant?

        What, do think a LEFTIE did it? That's rich.
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    • Author by klarg (January 10, 2011 8:51 pm ET)
         
      The haTe Party marches on.
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    • Author by cornelison (January 11, 2011 9:57 am ET)
         
      Is Arizona becoming the new Mississippi?
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    • Author by cornelison (January 11, 2011 10:03 am ET)
         
      After hearing news about the shooter, it sounds like this man is a sociopath. He's being mislabeled as a deranged psychopath. The difference is that a sociopath knows exactly what he's doing and goes about it in a methodical way. Psychotics are disorganized & erratic. An insanity defense would be inappropriate.
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    • Author by draftedin68 (January 11, 2011 12:32 pm ET)
         
      A common cause...

      MMFA is doing a great job exposing the hate-spewers.

      So are these folks.

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    • Author by fo3angels (January 11, 2011 1:19 pm ET)
         
      No, Rep. Giffords does NOT appear to be the victim of anti-government violence. She IS the victim of a paranoid delusional man, who spouted some anti-government nonsense, but at the end of the day he is just a paranoid delusional man. Did our vitriol contribute? Probably, or at least this result is not in any way surpising given the quality of political discourse these days. We Can Do Better - here, and everywhere. Lets start here, everyone.
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      • Author by gman004 (January 11, 2011 2:24 pm ET)
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        Really? Did any of the liberals watch The Glen Beck Program last night?All he did was reflect on the disturbing political talk these days,ya know he yelled it and I quote"Just stop it,Knock it off!But as usual you won't get the truth from these folks,only the truth they want you to believe.
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        • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 11:09 am ET)
             
          Did he single any of his own paranoid ramblings out? Like when he tells his listeners that liberals are going to start a violent revolution?

          I have no revolution plans, but I can tell you this for certain:

          I don't care who you are or what your political philosophy is, if you take up arms against my country, you had best hope that someone with a Miranda Rights card gets to you before I do.

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    • Author by Berdjo Yesiltepe (January 11, 2011 2:28 pm ET)
         
      What are they thinking saying its liberals fault? Liberals weren't talking about killing conservatives when Bush was in office, so why can Fox go out and say it was liberal that incited violence.
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      • Author by keetonmm (January 11, 2011 3:42 pm ET)
           
        No, I didn't see any signs that said "Kill Bush" at all...
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        • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 11:14 am ET)
             
          I think that what is funny is that those "kill Bush" signs didn't show up until after he lied us into a war with a country that did nothing to us. They didn't come out when he stole an election, or when he gave budget-breaking tax cuts to the wealthy, they came out when he committed a criminal act that he should have been tried for.

          The Obama hatred came out long before he became President Obama. Long before he did anything to revile him for.

          Of course, since he hasn't done anything that would warrant that response, perhaps you can explain to me why those sentiments are out there? Try to not use some Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, or other hate-wing talker points. Give me some specific examples of what President Obama has done to deserve the hatred of the right.
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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 11:16 am ET)
               
            Oh, and perhaps you can give me some indication of where anyone from the left has advocated revolution and violence against Americans because they are different.
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    • Author by Black Duck (January 11, 2011 3:03 pm ET)
         
      Dear Glenn et. al.:
      What if a whole lot of people encouraged others to get rid of you with violent or aggressive actions? Would you and those like you learn a lesson. Would the pain, anguish, personal loss and suffering change your dirty and irresponsible mouth?

      You and those of your ilk are not the whole problem but obviously you are a significant part of it. Your greed, lies, misrepresentations and manipulations contribute only to America's societal collapse. Try (for a change) to contribute positive things. Be part of the solution and not part of the problem. (it is obvious you are not capable of this)

      You and others have tricked so many into believing falsehoods. We don't have the time or money you do to research etc. etc.. We hope that what we hear, read and see in the media is the truth. We were wrong.

      Money is your truth, MONEY is our governments truth, MONEY is wall streets truth, MONEY is the truth of the wealthy. Not just greed but irresponsible profit from manipulating or government. I/we can't make our representatives vote a certain way like big business and the wealthy can.

      We, that would be 80%+ of America's citizens want our share and we are getting ready to make the changes necessary to get it. Greedy lairs who run America now Democrats and Republicans and those like you will soon be replaced.

      If one federal politician honestly cared or was not a liar they would be screaming every day about the political bribes and business manipulations ON BOTH SIDES of our American Government.

      They would expose with evidence the unfair (cash paid for) advantage the wealthy and big business has over most of the citizens of our great America. THE WEALTHY AND BIG BUSINESS OWN AMERICA NOT THE PEOPLE.

      A tiny percentage of America's profit and tax dollars would allow for a quality nationalized health care system. The wealthy want it all and more. The proof is in the killing more people every year for lack of medical care than died at the horror of 9/11. Every year the numbers of dead and suffering increases.

      AND STILL NATIONALIZED HEALTH CARE WON'T HAPPEN. POLITICIANS AND THE WEALTHY AND STUPID PEOPLE LIKE glenn beck DON'T CARE AND ARE CHEATING US TO GET ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN.



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    • Author by tlv (January 11, 2011 3:35 pm ET)
         
      Pretzel logic was used numerous times after the Clinton incident. I clearly remember being told as late as last year by those on the right that teenagers were becoming increasingly promiscuous because of it. Cute. Only if their parents told them that!
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    • Author by thrushjz (January 11, 2011 5:39 pm ET)
         
      Barack Obama 2008 campaign, Pennsylvania..."If they (republicans) bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/ Practice what you preach or shut up...
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    • Author by Jose4 (January 11, 2011 5:56 pm ET)
         
      The extreme Right says that human rights come from God and that the Constitution grants some of those rights to the government.

      Progressives say that the Government holds all of those rights and graciously grants some of those rights to the people.

      The person who shot Giffords is definitely on the Progressive side of this divide.

      Using this nut job as an excuse to go after the left OR the right is absolutely ludicrous as is this ridiculous article.

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      • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 12:28 pm ET)
           
        ROFL @ you. Progressives hold that PEOPLE hold all rights, and that government is there to protect those rights. The right, while claiming to want to protect the rights of the people, instead is on a campaign to destroy those rights in favor of the state.

        I'm sure that you don't realise that the Sainted Founding Fathers were progressives. The conservatives of the time wanted to remain under Britain's thumb.
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        • Author by Jose4 (January 12, 2011 1:36 pm ET)
             
          curiousindependent,

          I realise that we fought your centralised government ideals in the War of Independence.

          The Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

          The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.

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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 1:59 pm ET)
               
            Amendment? Are you suggesting that the Constitution, in it's original glory, was lacking enough that they had to add to it?

            BLASPHEMER get thee behind me!!!
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            • Author by Jose4 (January 12, 2011 7:07 pm ET)
                 
              The first ten Amendments were there before the Constitution was ratified. They are also known as the Bill of Rights.

              Without them there would have been no Constitution.

              And why are you asking for someone to get behind you? You clearly are not from America.



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              • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 7:34 pm ET)
                   
                Of course I'm not. I think differently from you, therefore I am "other" and need to be eradicated.
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                • Author by Jose4 (January 12, 2011 8:52 pm ET)
                     
                  No, you appear to be an agent of a foreign government with intent to undermine the Constitution and do damage to the United States.


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          • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 8:48 pm ET)
               
            Well, I just noticed that. I am sorry, I forgot to thank you for your service, I didn't realise that you had fought in the War of Independence. Unfortunately for your argument, I wasn't alive then, so none of it was "mine".
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            • Author by Jose4 (January 12, 2011 11:09 pm ET)
                 
              Why are you posting here? Why don't you destroy your own country or have you done that already?


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        • Author by curiousindependent (January 12, 2011 8:46 pm ET)
             
          destroy those rights in favor of the state.-by me

          My bad, that shoud read "in favor of corporations".
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    • Author by larryroth (January 11, 2011 6:16 pm ET)
         
      How did it get this bad?

      A country like America that was established by founding fathers who were intellectuals inspired by the Enlightenment area has regressed into a nation that has allowed hate and lies to be spewed from extremists like Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, and Fon News 24/7/365.
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      • Author by Jose4 (January 12, 2011 11:28 pm ET)
           
        has allowed hate and lies to be spewed from extremists like Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, and Fon News 24/7/365.


        and you so it seems.

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